Talk:Chinmayananda Saraswati

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Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a promotional site. Writing a hagiography can be done at private websites, not at Wikipedia. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:41, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah. I've started cutting into this thing because it is absolutely ridiculous. - Sitush (talk) 19:34, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

@Sitush: If you want to use a short form for his name then I think "Chinmayananda" would be the appropriate name to use. I have never seen him being called "Saraswati." Kautilya3 (talk) 16:14, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Maybe. I'm not sure. What is certain is that we shouldn't be dropping Swami all over the place. This article is a disaster, as are most others with Divine Life Society connections. - Sitush (talk) 16:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, you want to keep "Swami"? I say no. We don't use "Swami" for Vivekananda, arguably the greatest of them. So we have a good precedent. Kautilya3 (talk) 17:45, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

No, sorry. I was using a very colloquial form of "dropping", akin to "peppering" the article with something unnecessary. What I meant was that the article had the swami thing all over it and in fact should not have done. We're in agreement: the word should be dropped (in the sense you mean) and indeed has been. - Sitush (talk) 17:52, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Should the "Swami" convention be reconsidered now that Vivekananda has been renamed to "Swami Vivekananda" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Swami_Vivekananda/Archive_3#Requested_move_4 and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Swami_Vivekananda/Archive_3#Requested_move)? For consistency, should we rename to "Swami Chinmayananda"? 97.79.186.3 (talk) 18:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

That was posted by me (accidentally wasn't logged in) Llightex (talk) 18:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Dubious sources

We really should be avoiding sources published by the Mission, Divine Life Society etc. I can't actually see any of the ones cited in this article but those that I've seen for other articles have always been hagiographies. I'm also surprised that, even for the basic biographical stuff, we seem to need to cite a shedload of different Mission biographies - that makes me think that they are in here as a means of spamming Mission publications. - Sitush (talk) 18:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Number of images and copyrights

On September 13, 2014, a comment was made That is a ridiculous number of images & I'm not convinced that they are all free of copyright.. I see this as two separate concerns:

• Image Copyrights: I requested Central Chinmaya Mission Trust to release these images under a 'free' license. They agreed and sent me an email per template Wikipedia:Declaration_of_consent_for_all_enquiries. I will be happy to forward the email as appropriate. When I uploaded the images, I did not see (or perhaps missed) instructions to forward the email. Please help!

• Number of images: What is a good number of images? Per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images, at 1024x768 resolution, the images should not extend beyond the section. I see only two out of eight images extended beyond one section. Thus, removing two would be sufficient?

Sanjaymjoshi (talk) 12:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Too many images of more or less the same thing. Images are supposed to inform; if people want to showcase then they should set up an account on Flickr or somewhere, I guess. - Sitush (talk) 13:36, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Agreed about too many seemingly similar images. I have restored only four most significant images from the originally uploaded set. Sanjaymjoshi (talk) 15:58, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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Affiliation with VHP

There are some recent edits relating to Vishva Hindu Parishad. I urge editors to place facts and references in that article, and to review it in detail in general. I have detailed the neutrality bias, which is mainly supported by the Christophe Jaffrelot references and a prior designation by the CIA that can no longer be found. The research by Manjari Katju is more nuanced in this regard. Avindratalk / contribs 03:03, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

The section that Swami Chinmayananda was associated with Vishva Hindu Parishad is completely dubious and does not have any proper citations or validations. Request that this section on VHP be completely removed unless properly validated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivekvc (talk • contribs) 09:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Vivekvc, thanks for your note -- I added that particular text back with the links pointing to the appropriate pages. The story of the Pope converting Hindus, and Chinmayananda converting people back, has appeared in multiple sources -- Chinmayananda's own words in Divine Enterprise and the recounting in Religion, Globalization and Political Culture in the Third World and the article in Hinduism Today. Llightex (talk) 21:51, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Llightex Thanks for the reply --- The particular section cannot be validated for the claim. Your statement that the 'story' of Pope converting Hindus and Swami Chinmayandanda's 'claim' of converting back is totally baseless and cannot be validated by the Wikipedia community from the sources you have provided for validation. The sources also does not appear to be trustworthy or neutral. Kindly remove this section until it is validated and approved and a consensus is reached on this statement by the community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivekvc (talk • contribs) 11:59, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

@Vivekvc -- There are many sources from a variety of viewpoints that corroborate this, see Swami Chinmayananda's own statement in https://books.google.com/books?id=OsI7Hy8H34YC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA102&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false; his obituary in Hinduism Today (https://www.hinduismtoday.com/magazine/october-1993/1993-10-chinmayananda-1916-1993/); and a paper by a disciple of Dayananda Saraswati (https://discoveratma.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Swami-Chinmayananda-and-Swami-Dayanandas-contribution-to-the-Vedanta-sampradaya-by-Swamini-Brahmaprajnananda.pdf). Please see WP:RS for policies on reliable sources!

I also see you have mentioned in another of your earlier edits that "Swami Chinmayanda was never ever involved with the Vishwa Hindu Parishad." However, even Chinmaya Mission's own website discusses the connection: https://www.chinmayamission.com/vhp-inaugural-meeting/. Swami Chinmayananda additionally discusses his founding of the VHP in this interview: https://web.archive.org/web/20081230010331/http://www.chyk.net/Chinmaya_works/chinmaya_interviews.asp

I would suggest you read more into this! Certainly Swami Chinmayananda was not 100% aligned with or focused on the VHP, but the history shows that he did play an important role in its creation and activities. Llightex (talk) 13:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

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