Talk:Sweden–Finland

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Is this article really necessary? The term Sweden-Finland is just confusing because that country has never existed. Sweden-Finland is (was) exactly the same thing as Sweden.aaker 30 december 2005 kl.21.19 (CET)

Because the term Sweden-Finland is sometimes still used, I feel it is important to have this article to point out what it actually means and what it does not mean. The article makes no claim that Sweden-Finland was the name of the country. I'm Finnish, and and I think that when using the term "Sweden", most Finns think only the area that is currently known as Sweden, even though we all know that Finland was also a part of the country a couple hundred years ago. For example, if someone would say "the reformation spread to Sweden in the year xxxx" Finns might understand that the reformation came to the area currently known as Sweden in the year xxxx and it spread to Finland at a later time, but when saying "the reformation spread to Sweden-Finland in the year xxxx" it is easier for a Finn to understand that the reformation came to Finland at the same year.

I'm not saying that the term is good and it should be used. I'm just saying that the article should remain because it explains the meaning that could otherwise be a mystery to someone who doesn't know the local history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.151.236 (talk • contribs) 09:57, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

And I would like to add that most English speaking people are not familiar with the history of Sweden and Finland. The term "Sweden" most often is understood to refer to the geographic area of modern Sweden, including old Danish or Norwegian provinces such as Scania but not the provinces in the east like Österland. During te 19th century Sweden shifted it's location from the Baltics to the Scandinavian peninsula. Modern "Bernadotte" Sweden is not the same as Sweden of the Wasa-kings.

For this reason it is more informative to rename the Sweden of the Wasa kings as Sweden-Finland.

One other aspect is that even in modern usage of Swedish the word "svensk" differs in Österand and modern Sweden as it most often refers to the modern nation state whereas in Finland it refers to the language, not the nation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spespatriae (talk • contribs) 10:28, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that this article should be removed unless it's a commonly used term in english. The term is however strange since nothing under the name Finland existed during the time of when the geographical area today called Finland was a part of Sweden. Sweden as a country streched over both sides of the baltic sea and wasn't in any way in a cooperation together with something called Finland. Denmark-Norway was however still two different countries though the power was set in Copenhagen. I rather think the term Sweden-Finland is misleading, and i believe that is what finns want it to be. I believe this expression is created by Finns in a nationalistic purpase. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.96.171 (talk) 14:02, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Wrong, just look at this map from 1662 for example: Image:Grand duchy of finland 1662.jpg, the whole map is of Finland. And the term Finland is even older. So, this is a histioriographical term. In some contexts it is better to use Sweden-Finland, because the term Sweden has not included Finland in two hundred years, or prior to 13th Century. --Pudeo⺮ 13:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Strange title

There was never any country called Sweden-Finland, so this article comes close to original research. To the best of my knowledge, there is no article called United Kingdom-Ireland, because Ireland was a part of the United Kingdom before becoming independent. Nor have I seen Russia-Poland, Russia-Ukraine, Spain-Belgium or other articles that would be just as (in)correctly named as this one.JdeJ (talk) 14:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It is not a political term. Historigraphical and geographical term of the current area of Sweden and Finland during the Swedish rule . This article has no country infoboxes or anything, for a reason. Definately the term is used, especially in Finland, as it is very useful when describing things related to Finland at that time, like "In 1665 Oulu was founded as Sweden-Finland's.." but I don't see why it should be used when things are only related to Sweden.--Pudeo⺮ 18:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

This is an obsolote term, rarely used nowadays.--130.234.5.138 (talk) 11:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

As a name of a country yes, as it's in that case also clearly false. But when referring to Finland under the Swedish rule it is more useful, especially as Finland was already back then de facto an entity of its own. Without this term one would need a full sentence to explain the situation every time separately. -91.32.218.222 (talk) 15:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

Sweden–Finland → Sweden-Finland — According to Wikipedia conventions, the right writing of compound placenames is with hyphen (like Austria-Hungary, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Czecho-Slovakia, Winston-Salem, Brandýs nad Labem-Stará Boleslav). Sweden-Finland is a conjunction, not a disjunction. See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 May 3#Category: Austria–Hungary. --Omnipaedista (talk) 09:40, 25 August 2011 (UTC)