Talk:Sydney Law

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 14:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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Sydney James Law → Sydney Law – This page was recently moved without discussion to the new location to make way for a redirect to Sydney Law School. I find this an implausible term either as a wikilink or as a search term (where "Sydney Law School" will show up as an option in the search bar anyway). As such I find the original situation, in which a hatnote at the top of this article indicated the link to Sydney Law School, more plausible. At the very least "Sydney Law" should be a disambiguation page. Relisted. Favonian (talk) 11:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC). Frickeg (talk) 02:00, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. The term 'Sydney Law' is more closely associated to Sydney Law School, an internationally regarded law school with an extremely well established identity. The long lasting and continuing contributions of Sydney Law School warrants the redirection of 'Sydney Law' to the 'Sydney Law School' page. The person Sydney James Law however is less well known. Most users of Wikipedia will not be looking for Sydney James Law when entering the search 'Sydney Law'. Little.shroom (talk) 07:22, 1 July 2012 (UTC) — Little.shroom (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Oppose. A simple Google search yields the following:

- "sydney law" "sydney law school" 115,000 results
- "sydney law" "sydney james law" 48 results
From this, it is explicitly clear that "Sydney Law" refers to Sydney Law School on most pages on the internet. It would be silly to have a page titled "Sydney Law" about a relatively unknown man that existed a century ago. On the other hand, Sydney Law School is among the oldest and largest law schools in Australia, with many world renowned alumni. I don't think a disambiguation page is even needed in this situation. There is simply no debate. Waterfirespirit (talk) 07:34, 1 July 2012 (UTC) — Waterfirespirit (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Neither of these opinions (which I note come from editors whose first contributions are this very debate) addresses the original point. I'm not arguing that Sydney Law the person is better known than Sydney Law School. What I am saying is that "Sydney Law" as a page works better for the person, with a hatnote to redirect people ending up here because of the colloquial use of "Sydney Law" to refer to SLS. No one is going to link just "Sydney Law" from an article and expect it to arrive at Sydney Law School, and anyone searching in the search bar will see "Sydney Law School" pop up anyway. Frickeg (talk) 23:37, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. The current situation of both pages is appropriate. Sydney Law School has ""Sydney Law" redirects here. For the politician, see Sydney James Law." and Sydney James Law has a similar link to Sydney Law School. That arrangement already adequately addresses the concerns of the OP. I do not see the need to make any further changes. An extra disambig page should only be constructed if there are at least 3 'Sydney Law' related articles. With only 2, the respective links on both pages are sufficient. Sundowndawn (talk) 11:48, 3 July 2012 (UTC) — Sundowndawn (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Relisting comment: This discussion needs input from some established users. Favonian (talk) 11:06, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support. First, redirects should not take precedence over actual article titles. Second, biographical article titles should not include middle names unless these were commonly used. For a redirect from an abbreviation to take precedence over a real person is ludicrous. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:48, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support. Redirects do not take precedence over real people.--Grahame (talk) 03:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
• Support revert of the recent undiscussed move in favor of the article that could be expected to be titled "Sydney Law". -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:11, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.