Talk:Sydney Trains T set

Organisation of CityRail rollingstock articles

Shouldn't there be a common summary article about CityRail sets, and all existing pages named in a standard fashion e.g. by their letter codes or names e.g. V-Set (CityRail) (or DDIU (CityRail)), T-Set (CityRail) (or Tangara (CityRail), Endeavour (CityRail) etc? The current array is pretty messy and there is no table to link them all together as per the CityTrain, Connex Melbourne and other Australian systems. SM247 20:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Merge. Good idea. (JROBBO 10:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC))

Common summary article: sure. But I don't believe there's need to merge them. Dysprosia 10:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Dysprosia, I actually agreed on a merge for some articles for some notable CityRail cars into one set... the text must have copied over to this article. I don't think a merge is a good idea for this article. (JROBBO 12:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC))

Car details

May I suggest that we do not need a complete listing of operational T sets in this article, as it is very technical and only likely to be of relevance to hardcore gunzels who can find this information more accurately elsewhere? Jammo (SM247) 04:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Used shit and condoms

why was the fact that the newer t-sets smell like shit and used condoms excluded from the article? this is a fact i, as a frequent train user, can attest to. i feel it needs to be included again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I love frenzal (talk • contribs) 11:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Because you need to provide a source for that "fact". See Wikipedia:Verifiability. Harryboyles 11:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

stupid no original research crap... go on... catch a t-set... then you'll know. they have inane graffiti as well. every single one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I love frenzal (talk • contribs) 10:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Manual of Style

I suggest changing the ampersand in the title to the word "and", following Wikipedia:MOS#Article_titles.

Also, the article uses spaced hyphens for dashes - like this. However, according to Wikipedia:MOS#Dashes, they should be em dashes—like this—or spaced en dashes – like this. I'm a big fan of the em dash, but I don't want to pick a style that the people who've worked on the article might dislike.

No, I have no substantive criticisms.  :-) —JerryFriedman (Talk) 16:12, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Refurbishment date

I previously moved the mentioning of "2010" from the captions of the photos to the info box, but someone reverted it. The Info box should say “Refurbishment: 2010-” to avoid typing 2010 everytime a pre-refurbished tangara picture is posted up. If not 2010 should be "2010-" as NOT　all carraiges have been converted to the new seating yet. No, There are no sources on this because CityRail and its parent group RailCorp tend to not publish this information due to the complexity of their network and operations which may be subject to change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loyalcityrailcustomer (talk • contribs) 15:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

"Aboriginal word"

After a quick look at wikipedia, apparently the Aboriginal Languages constitute around 27 families, and several hundred individual languages. It makes as much sense to write "an Aboriginal word meaning to go" as it does to write "a European word meaning to eat" for "mange".84.146.86.134 (talk) 23:49, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

N5225 has slightly louder choppers

I actually mean it that on set T60, carriage N5225 has slightly louder chopper motors than all other carriages. It ain't that loud on any other carriages. Please include that info in the article. Thank you, Edgar Searle (talk) 06:52, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Possible reformatting of this article?

When reading this article it's quite difficult to differentiate between T set and G set information, it's all mixed into different sections apart from the conversion part. This is rather... disappointing? (Not sure what word to really use.) as the T sets and G sets are vastly different trains, in fact the ex. G sets aren't really T sets at all, they're classified as T1XX so they really should be called T1 sets. For T121 and T14, they're special snowflakes. T100? I don't see much problem if there is a zeroth train in the fleet, if it exists it exists.

There could possibly be a second info box further down the page for the G sets, much like for the mark 1 and 2 X100 rail tractors. Just putting the idea out there, as I find it confusing that the G/T1 sets and the T sets are treated as one, yet the 4D gets to have it's own segment down the very bottom.

All the best, you can freely disregard my T1 set semi rant. Most people call them Ex. G sets anyways. GriffinRails (talk) 02:31, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Renaming this page to Tangara

As these trains are named as the Tangara/Tangara Fleet by the Transport Asset Holding Entity and previously by RailCorp and the State Rail Authority i believe it is appropriate to have this page renamed to Sydney Trains Tangara Set, the T Set name is only used internally by TfNSW/TAHE staff, anything publicly is referred to the set as the Tangara Saturn5841 (talk) 06:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@Saturn5841: First of all, welcome to Wikipedia, and I also invite you to propose your changes at the dedicated WikiProject for Australian transport editors at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian Transport.

You may also be interested in the instructions for how to formally propose a move request of an article at WP:RSPM.

While true and would agree with the Wikipedia policy preferring that naming articles by common name with newspaper articles and the like naturally using common names, we'd need to do the same for the other similarly named trains like the Waratahs. But problems with consistency arise with the trains that only have its set letter and no common official name, such as the Sydney Trains K set. There's also been recent disagreement with how to name the diesel trains that NSW TrainLink runs including the New South Wales Endeavour railcar, New South Wales Hunter railcar but I personally disagree with how it's simply called the New South Wales Xplorer. Fork99 (talk) 07:48, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks @Fork99 i'm glad to be here :)

I will definitely look into the move request

in regards to the naming, its a bit of an odd one especially with the history of our lovely rolling stock fleet

Realistically i believe we should be using the names of the named sets where possible, with the older Suburban/Intercity fleet (Silver Sets + V Sets) only going by there internal names publicly as well should be treated as the actual name for these rolling stock, at least as referred to by TfNSW public pages about these sets

With the Diesel passenger sets its alot more mucky, realistically i believe it would be better to be doing Manufacturer + set name. so New South Wales Endeavour railcar becomes ABB Endeavour Railcar or using the NSW TrainLink + set name NSW TrainLink Endeavour Railcar

With the proposed reunification of ST and NSWTL coming soon however this may cause issues in the long run as we will need to rename every page after whatever this combined entity is Saturn5841 (talk) 08:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 8 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:04, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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Sydney Trains T set → Sydney Trains Tangara Set – The Tangara/T Set has always been referred to the public and by Sydney Trains/Transport Asset Holding Entity and its predecessors (RailCorp/CityRail and the State Rail Authority as the Tangara this can be seen as from the TfNSW Fleet Website [1] and SRA Advertisements introducing the Tangara back in 1988 [2] i believe it would be the correct thing to move this page to Sydney Trains Tangara Set or Sydney Trains Tangara. This seems to be common practice as we can see from the X2000 Wikipedia Page or even the NSW XPT Saturn5841 (talk) 08:30, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as proposed: “Set” doesn't need to be capitalised, per WP:TITLECASE. And when the common name is used, for example in newspaper articles, I find that “set” is seldom used, and either they're just called by the common name and/or “train” is stuck on after the name. There's still the issue of consistency for article names which should also follow WP:COMMONNAME for the other types of Sydney trains if this move were to go ahead, including the Sydney Trains A & B sets (Waratah), New South Wales C set (no official common name other than its set letter), NSW TrainLink D set (Mariyung), NSW TrainLink H set (Oscar), Sydney Trains K set (no official common name), Sydney Trains M set (Millennium), New South Wales S set (no official common name), New South Wales U set (no official common name), and NSW TrainLink V set (no official common name). I personally would not mind if these articles were named something like Tangara (Sydney Trains), Tangara (train), T set (train), or T set (Sydney Trains) instead, just as a stylisation thing. It would be in line with something like Electric multiple unit (Queensland Rail) or Comet (train). Fork99 (talk) 10:53, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

  Apologies about the capitalization i must have missed that when rechecking before submitting. i do believe that Tangara (Sydney Trains) or Tangara (train) for example would work, you point out a great example with the Electric Multiple Unit (Queensland Rail) however the Comeng (train) seems to follow the latter. i believe that "Train Model (Operator)" would better suit. for Sydney/Intercity rolling stock that don't have a common name (K/C/S sets, U sets, V sets) that it should have K set (Sydney Trains)/V set (NSW TrainLink) would be the correct naming scheme If we did follow this it would also have to result in a rename of the Comeng page and possible renaming of the Endavour/Xplorer/Hunter sets to fall in line with this naming scheme Saturn5841 (talk) 11:41, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, current name is clear, concise and consistent with how other Sydney Trains rolling stock articles are named. Bagufleat (talk) 01:17, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

  @Bagufleat while it is consistent with other rolling stock articles as of right now, it is factually incorrect for the name that TfNSW and the public use for these rolling stock as per here the T Set name is not the correct name as per TfNSW or the public, this is mucky as well to do with the G set's as while they are apart of the tangara family are a different configuration to the T set that persists to this day, Using that logic we should be splitting the T/G Set's into there own pages, as well as the A/B Waratah Sets into there own pages Saturn5841 (talk) 01:47, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Waterfall Rail Accident

Why no mention of the Waterfall rail accident in the Incidents section? Surely a fatal derailment warrants inclusion! 46.69.29.43 (talk) 15:41, 15 February 2024 (UTC)