Talk:Sydyk

Zedek and Jupiter

From the current page:

"Some writers have speculated about a connection between Zedek and the planet Jupiter; however, such speculation is not based on any extant archeological evidence."

It's obvious that Tzedek is a reference to the planet Jupiter, and not just speculation.

Do a Google search using the following:

http://www.google.com/search?q=tzedek+jupiter+jewish+astrology

You can see that Jewish astrologers still use Tzedek for the name of Jupiter, so I don't see why it should be considered mere speculation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.3.227 (talk) 11:43, 2005 May 25 (UTC)

Well, now it says "such speculation is not based on any extant archaeological evidence, but rather on the fact that current Jewish astrologers use the name Tzedek when referring to the planet Jupiter." Asside from the awkward phrasing, this makes it sound even shakier. I'm pretty sure the use of Tzedek as the name of the planet Jupiter goes back much farther than "current astrologers." Really we shoudl be looking for the earliest attested use, not the current use. --Iustinus 04:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I also saw a problem with that sentence which is why I visited this talk page. Zedek and Jupiter are connected. The question is, how far back. I'm betting quite a ways back. Lisa the Sociopath 23:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Persian/Avestan Ahriman and Zahhuk, (with the twin serpents in his shoulders), got re-worked as Abraham and Isaac. But, Vedic Azi Dahaka already was the three-headed serpent in Hindu religion. In Mesopotamian myth, Tammuz and Gishzida (Lord Of The Vine) served a similar function for Uan Adapa (Adamu), he symbolizing Winter (water, fisherman), and they the Spring (grain harvest, shepherd) and Summer (wine harvest) respectively. Anu, Lord of Heaven symbolized the final (anointing) olive harvest. Uan, like Enkidu, was served bread, wine, and had his body oiled. It is a seasonal allegory. Sedek the righteous is the upright, the earth's axis projected across the solstices, the highest (Itzhak, saved by the ram in the thicket) and lowest points of the sun (birth of the solar king). 2601:601:510:C03:8885:3A07:1BAA:1F0B (talk) 01:18, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I modified the sentences. Lisa the Sociopath 23:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Patent Nonsense

There is no Canaanite god named Zedek, it is simply the Hebrew word for righteousness. I've cut some of the more blatant bits of disinformation like calling Melchizedek a Jebusite when according to tradition he is prior to the Jebusite period as well the drivel about Zadok being a personification of this invented god Zedek, but even then the rest is still nonsense because there just isn't a god named Zedek. Kuratowski's Ghost (talk) 03:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

See the sources cited. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 18:26, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

These rehash 100 year old modernist speculation while providing no archaeological or textual evidence of such a god. I have reworded to make it clear that a Jebusite god named Zedek is purely speculative. Perhaps the article should be moved to one on the Phoenician god Sydyk mentioned by Philo. Kuratowski's Ghost (talk) 02:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Also equating the attested named Sydyk with Hebrew Tzedek/Zedek is speculation as we do not have the original Phoenician spelling of Sydyk. Kuratowski's Ghost (talk)

Righteousness vs Justice

The root ṣ-d-q and modern Hebrew tzedek are closer to English "righteousness" than to English "justice" - the gerund form tzedekah (literally "being righteous") is the Hebrew word for charity. Hebrew yosher is closer to English justice although in modern usage one might find English justice translated as tzedek in some cases. Kuratowski's Ghost (talk) 22:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)