Talk:List of attacks on Jewish institutions

Requested move 8 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to List of attacks on Jewish institutions. Consensus on the alternative proposed title. – robertsky (talk) 12:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

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List of synagogue shootings → List of attacks on Jewish institutions outside the United States – No rhyme or reason this title focuses on shootings, when most of the attacks also involved grenades, bombings, and knife attacks. Suggest expanding scope to include currently list-orphaned events such as the 1980 Paris synagogue bombing and mirror List of attacks on Jewish institutions in the United States. Open to alternate title suggestions, but this one isn't doing it for me. Longhornsg (talk) 02:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• Rename to List of attacks on Jewish institutions and either merge List of attacks on Jewish institutions in the United States or keep that as a separate list linked from this one. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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• Comment I agree the name needs to change but framing it as "in the United States" and "outside the United States" is not sensible on a global encyclopedia. An attack on a Jewish institution in France or wherever does not have as one of its important characteristics the fact that it's not in the USA. Dan Carkner (talk) 14:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, as to the original proposed "outside the United States" idea, but having split-off lists by country from a main list with a generic name is standard pratice; that is, the "in the United States" side article is not "broken" in any way.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

• Rename to List of attacks on Jewish institutions, per Necrothesp. There is no need to merge the US one into it; just use WP:SUMMARYSTYLE with regard to it. (Though a merge could be proposed anyway, it is not dispositive in any way as to the outcome of this RM.) A "outside the United States" title would be not okay; we don't do topical lists that way. They start at the base name of the subject ("List of foo"); when geo-political splitting is warranted, they are split by country (or sometimes by larger region): "List of foo in Bar".  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:04, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
• Rename to List of attacks on Jewish institutions per above. Also separately I agree the US list should be merged into it. While specific country lists are understandable, neither of the lists are long enough to warrant that IMO PARAKANYAA (talk) 15:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

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Merger Discussion

Request received to merge articles: List of attacks on Jewish institutions in the United States into List of attacks on Jewish institutions; dated: {January/2024}. Proposer's Rationale: Further to the move discussion above, proposing to merge two lists with similar subject matter. The combined article is still short enough to preclude the need for separate articles, and having one article for this subject is the most logical and easy-to-follow format. Longhornsg (talk) 01:37, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Support merge, per above. Neither of these are very long. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, it's been 11 days and no one has opposed (and these are very duplicative). I'll do it but it might take me a bit. PARAKANYAA (talk) 10:59, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I did it. I added a "Thwarted attacks" section because that page included those and this didn't. Also I removed a few (one was literally someone writing "Free Palestine" on a synagogue.. if we were counting graffiti we would be here all day). I'll deal with the series later since they don't play well with the table. PARAKANYAA (talk) 11:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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Longhornsg (talk) 19:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Also Bloomfield nj

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/essex/bloomfield/2023/01/29/temple-ner-tamid-molotov-cocktail-bloomfield-temple-arson-attempt/69852460007/ 108.5.178.107 (talk) 19:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Mistaken inclusions

Some of the attacks on the list, such as one on an El Al counter at an American airport, and one on a restaurant displaying an Israeli flag, are clearly not attacks on Jewish institutions.

A list of attacks on Jewish institutions should be limited to attacks on Jewish institutions - an Israeli flag hanging in a restaurant does not make the restaurant a Jewish institution, nor is an airline based in Israel a Jewish institution.

Attacks such as these belong on a list of attacks on Israelis, Israeli institutions, zionists, or zionist institutions. 137.99.143.53 (talk) 14:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I disagree. They’re a kind of Jewish institution. PARAKANYAA (talk) 16:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC)