Talk:T-Bag (Prison Break)

Incest

"His behaviour is attributed to the environment he grew up in. T-Bag's father raped his sister, who had been afflicted with Down Syndrome. His sister was also his mother. Knowing this fact, Captain Bellick tried to insult T-Bag and referred him as an "inbred child of a retard". T-Bag was no doubt hurt and angered." It may just have been something Bellick made up to piss T-Bag off. Nowhere in the series do they confirm it. Someone should edit it. Paulus Caesar

That's just speculation on your part. There's nothing to suggest that Bellick made it up. Why would T-Bag be so furious if it was false?--CyberGhostface 00:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I have heard people take the piss by saying something like "you are a child of a retard" or something like that. I also think he would have more physical and mental deformaties if he was the offspring of 2 siblings, one of which was retarded. Also, Bellick laughed aftwer he said it suggesting that he did make it up and he was amused that it pissed T-Bag off so much. --Xsamix 21:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Bellick laughed because he enjoyed causing Bagwell pain. This is the same guy who killed an innocent kitten because its owner wouldn't rat out someone. Again, what you are saying counts as original research. There is NOTHING to suggest that Bellick was just foolin' around.

As for mental deformities...yeah, T-Bag has to be the perfect picture of mental health.--CyberGhostface 01:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, he would have no mental or physical deformities because incestual relationships have no side-effects and I don't believe Down Syndrome is hereditary.

I think its safe to say that T-Bag is born of incest now...although there was never any doubt to begin with, and those who denied in the first place were only fooling themselves.--CyberGhostface 04:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Neither you nor Bellick claiming its true makes it true (on a fictional level). Bellick as the only source is not reliable. But there is no problem in putting the source into the text as "Bellick once says...". It's better to tell that you don't know than claiming something to be true while there's serious doubt.Kommitanz 13:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I can't believe we're still discussing this where after Bad Blood there should be zero doubt concerning T-Bag's family situation. (And Bellick said he had read the pysch report, its not like he pulled it out of thin air.) Heck, I think even the official Prison Break magazine has been treating it as canon.--CyberGhostface 14:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

There was definitely some truth to T-Bag being inbred, because of how much it hurt and angered him when Bellick said it. Of course, Bellick said it because he enjoyed humiliating him, and knew exactly what buttons to push with the inmates that would cause them the most pain. Bellick got a good laugh out of it because that's the type of person he was. He enjoyed and reveled in humiliating and tormenting others, demeaning the inmates made him feel powerful and it was the best thing going on for him in his pathetic life. But there was definitely some truth to what he said about T-Bag's family history, and it's clear from T-Bag's reaction. While of course in real life, a child that inbred coupled with being a child of a retard would most likely have some physical and mental deformities (not talking about how messed up T-Bag was mentally, talking about mental capacity, since T-Bag was clearly not only not retarded, but quite intelligent). Of course in real life that is highly unlikely that such a person would exist, but you have to suspend disbelief for the sake of the show I guess. Also, perhaps T-Bag's parents were actually cousins and not siblings, and Bellick said they were siblings just to further humiliate T-Bag. That is what I mean that it might not have been completely true, but it was definitely partly true.

Didn't he got molested by his father? User:Banna678y8 20.51 may 21 2007

Yes, it was heavily implied that he was.

Links

Why is this character linked to LGBT-characters? His personality is much more complex and his sexual preferences are based on upbringing, surroundings, mental state, etc. He is not a stereotypical stock character on should not be linked as such! Please remove!

He's still a bisexual character.--CyberGhostface 00:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Infobox image

Due to Fox's terms of use and source information, the previous promotional picture has been replaced by a cropped television screenshot. If you seek to replace it with a promotional image, please specify its original source and copyright information. -- Ladida 14:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Great quotations

Prison Break is full of brilliant one-liners, and particularly memmorable is T-Bag, saying something along the lines of:

(speaking about Thailand) "Black market surgery, anonymous transplant donors, hes dressed as shes... What's not to like?

Is it appropriate to include this? I recognise that there is a danger of flooding the characters pages with quotations... —anskas 13:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

You could make a Wikiquote page for T-Bag and his quotes, and place a link for it in this wikipedia article, then you could have quotations without flooding the character's page. Siyavash 19:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Trivia typo

I can't seem to find a way to edit the Trivia, can somebody please remove the annoying typo "don't broking".. I guess that's "not breaking" or something.. 62.163.80.195 11:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

T-Bag saved Michael's plans.

When Geary was selling Scofield's cell to the highest bidder, the bidder complained about the leaking toliet seat. T-Bag was the one who found this out, and quickly mustered up a plan with C-Note and Westmorland to save the cell from being bought. T-Bag may have done it for his own self as well (since Scofield's failure will lead to his failure from breaking out as well), but I think this feat from Bagwell deserves a mention in the Season 1 article.

I had edited the article before and included it, someone rectified the article with more accurate terms, but now its deleted. Can someone please add this back?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Params7 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

I deleted it because I was trying to make the article shorter (with little success) and that seemed to me, while important, more of a stand-alone incident. Do you know if you could integrate it into the article as part of another paragraph (for example, "this plan included T-Bag doing such and such when..." in addition to another fact)?--CyberGhostface 19:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Appearances

The "Appearances" section provides a summary of the character's plot in the season. It should be kept brief and is not supposed to contain details concerning the show's plot. Also, the summary should be written in such a way so that it adheres to the guidelines in Wikipedia:Writing about fiction. I've rewritten the season 2 Appearances section. Please try to write with a "perspective of the real world", unlike the former summary which was written totally with an in-universe perspective. Regards, Ladida 13:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

LGBT banner

The article says "he'd sleep with anything". In my opinion, that means he's pansexual, which would seem to fall within "LGBT and Queer studies articles", which is the scope of the project. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, he definitely applies.--CyberGhostface 01:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

How is a fictional character part of LGBT Studies?--82.39.105.140 16:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

The scope of the project is "cultural, political and historical manifestation of same-sex, bisexual, or transgender identities, attractions, and relationships, and related societal reactions." -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC0

In that one episode he's unwilling to perform sexual favours to that trannie but he says he's dressed as she's is one of the benifits to move to thailand banna678y8 17.12, 21 may 2007

Someone's changed bisexual into pansexual ya'll banna678y8 21.00, 21 may 200

Sociopath/psychopath

Shouldn't he be classified as a sociopath or psychopath? banna678y8 20.12, 20 May 2007

Considering both categories are deleted, no.--CyberGhostface 20:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Racist

He's a racist right how come no racist category--banna678y8 17.29, 21 may 2007

The racist category was deleted because it was deemed to be subjective and POV...which is bullshit if you ask me, because if someone hates other races then they're a racist, but apparently the majority disagrees.--CyberGhostface 21:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Necrophillic

Is he a necrophillic because when michael first meets him the inmate on the bleachers says he raped and killed half a dozen boys and girls down in bama. Then he says wasn't always in that order either? - (unsigned)

In the second season, he offers to divide the money with Michael, or says that his body will be found slumped over a chair with his pants down around his ankles. None of these statements seem definitive, however. The first sounded like bragging and bravado, and the second was just a threat. Not enough to classify him as a necrophiliac, since he hasn't exhibited overt tendencies in that direction. -Juansmith 23:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Cheers

Name Derived from an actual serial killer?

I don't have any confirmation or words from the directors or writers, but I hve noticed that the name 'Theodore Bagwell' could have come from a real-life american serial killer called 'Theodore Cowell'. If it wasn't, then that is a very odd coincidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DrTheKay (talk • contribs) 07:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Interesting, but unless you know that the creators based it off of that, it would be original research.--CyberGhostface (talk) 12:57, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

paedophile

Would it be safe to assume T-Bag is also a paedophile? There was an episode in the second season where he tries to seduce a young girl, and then when it doesn't go to plan he kills her father (though I don't think he did anything with the girl). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.53.153.152 (talk) 12:35, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

He's not a pedophile. If one were to read the Pedophilia article or any valid article about pedophilia, it is clear. The girl he tried to coerce into sex was a teenager...or at least she looked like one. Although, she was a young teen, looked about 14, that's still not pedophilia. Pedophilia isn't necessarily about the act anyway. There are plenty of child molesters who aren't pedophiles (in fact, most of them aren't). T-Bag is a sexual predator, though. Flyer22 (talk) 09:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Lots of reliable sources (I.E. interviews with Robert Knepper) have all called T-Bag a pedophile.--CyberGhostface (talk) 13:02, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Then that's those sources...but realistically...he isn't. Flyer22 (talk) 20:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Because?--CyberGhostface (talk) 20:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The pedophilia article, as well as many valid articles, make clear why he isn't. The actor who portrays this character even says that he (T-Bag) would have sex with anything. I've already answered above anyway. I'm not here to debate what the actors/creators have said on this topic. That IP asked a question, and I simply gave him (or her) an honest answer. What the actors/creators have said/say about this character is another matter. Flyer22 (talk) 20:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, this is a year and half old...but for what it's worth, T-Bag is unarguably a paedophile. paedo = child, phile = lover. He raped 6 children. If you feel sexual attraction towards children, you are a paedophile. End of story.70.134.80.225 (talk) 06:32, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Years later, and I'm back at this article. Again, pedophilia is not necessarily defined by the act. Men have raped prepubescent children during war rape as well, but that often had nothing to do with those men being pedophiles. Like I stated before, read the Pedophilia article and its WP:Reliable sources (I mean medical sources) that define pedophilia. That stated, yes, there are some researchers who define any sexual attraction to prepubescent children as pedophilia; the sexual attraction is not always defined as a preference, primary or exclusive, in the medical literature; this means even some situational child sexual abuse offenders are pedophiles by some researchers' definitions. Flyer22 (talk) 07:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Anti-hero

The list of anti heroes has this characters name on it, when clearly he is not an anti hero but a villain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.88.162 (talk) 09:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

It's not impossible to be both.--CyberGhostface (talk) 18:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Most Villainous

It says being leader of a white supremecist group he is the most villainous, does'nt being a serial killer, rapist and pedophile make him more villainous? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.109.48 (talk) 17:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

fate of hand?

The article mentions that he re-severs his hand to effect another escape, but does not say whether he has it reattached or whether he goes the rest of the series handless. 98.243.181.107 (talk) 05:54, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Pic of T-Bag in S4?

For consistency's sake I wonder if anyone has a T-Bag picture from Season 4 to add (since there is a pic for every other season), preferably one with him in a suit and his Cole Phieffer mustache? -- 81.224.247.87 (talk) 00:23, 10 January 2010 (UTC))

What gets me is that the default picture looks nothing like Robert Knepper or the character he plays. What's the deal??? Who is that in the picture?70.134.80.225 (talk) 06:33, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I have reverted the edit by 203.26.122.12. The picture is now the real Theodore Bagwell in Prison Break. (talk) 20:54, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

T-Bag sad about Belics death

How about including a few lines on T-Bags apparent sadness about Belics death? Season 4 when Belic dies, T-Bag first looks a little shook up about the news of Belics death, later on during a sales meeting where T-Bag is giving a speech he talks about Belic and his death, T-Bag has tears in his eyes. 194.46.177.146 (talk) 19:38, 20 January 2011 (UTC)