Talk:TP-Link

Promotional Edits

Promotional edits have really became a issue in this article and should be monitored. Promotional edits had been observed in the following contributors' edits. >>g2g886 (talk) 09:50, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

• 207.204.237.160 (talk), April 13, 2011
• 68.68.33.210 (talk), March 14, 2011
• Everlastingzzz (talk), January 9, 2011

According to 207.204.237.160 on 02:31, April 13, 2011:

"In 2010, 48.8% of the company's annual revenue was from the international market, and they have successfully established overseas branch offices in 13 countries around the world.[1]"

However, the verification took place on May 8th, 2011 returns differently:

"In 2009, 41.8% of our annual revenue was from the international market, and we have successfully started our first four overseas branch offices in Singapore, Germany, USA and India, with plans for our UK, Russian, Italy and Vietnamese offices already taking effect in order to provide quick and comprehensive services to our customers." (from the cited source)

A "citecheck" tag was added for the reason.

It is not clear how the data was obtained, but it is clearly not from the cited source. Another possible explanation is that it is some kind of internal data that had not been updated on the company's web site. And the person with access to the data had put it in the article. >>g2g886 (talk) 19:24, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Add Revon.zhang (talk) to the list. An edit with the summary "delete the advertising words and inappropriate external links" added such gems as "High-end products use the latest technologies", "TP-LINK's quality control is unprecedented", and the product and awards galleries. Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:00, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Reestructuring

This article was a little messy, i'm going to try to organise and update it a bit. I'm going to try to make it look like the Netgear one, since both companies are very similar. Feel free to help :)Clamad (talk) 17:51, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

AC1750 ADSL router?

The image of the router marked as "a TP-Link adsl" router is actually their Archer C7 model, which does not support ADSL modem capabilities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.70.103.110 (talk) 18:50, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Market share

Something is very fishy about this: "TP-Link was the largest market share holder in the world for WLAN equipment with a 42.2% global market share." This is sourced to Mobility Tech Zone, which does say that, but says its information is from IDC. But IDC doesn't say that, in fact it doesn't even mention TP-Link. It says Cisco is first, with 47.4%, followed by Aruba, Ruckus, and HP. Kendall-K1 (talk) 12:51, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

More than likely correct about the amount of "Market Share" of TP Link, as my Research of TP Links Cable Modems.

Best 32x8 Cable Modem (even though most cable is only 24x8) Arris SB8200 Motorola MB8600

Best 24x8 TP Link TC 7650

Best 16x4 TP Link TC 7620

So even though based on Manufacturer's Specifications TP Link TC 7650 and TP Link TC 7620 are the Best based on Flash Memory and Random Access Memory (R.A.M.) sizes and Processor type Dual Core (2 Processors) and Processor Speed. Attempting to buy at the sites and physical stores listed at TP Links "Where to Buy" is nearly impossible, and buying from Amazon.com means buying a USED Cable Modem (potentially damaged). Therefore, with those TP Link Products usually NOT AVAILABLE, OUT OF STOCK, DISCONTINUED, cannot determine How TP Link has a Large Market Share. Nakamuradavid (talk) 21:54, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Native name

The native name can be found at the bottom of this web page:[2] "普联技术有限公司". I believe the first four characters are the actual name, and the last four just mean something like "corporation". The character "術" does not appear anywhere on that web page. Kendall-K1 (talk) 15:47, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey @Kendall-K1: Just wanted to make a quick reply since I didn't communicate well earlier with an edit of mine and because you don't seem to be someone with Chinese language skills like me. The so-called native name of "普联技术有限公司" is read the same as "普聯技術有限公司." While ""術" does not appear on the company's web page, it simply is a mere difference of "formatting" (for lack of a better word) in the writing system(s) of Chinese. I apologize that I didn't communicate better in my attempts to make the article more inclusive for Traditional Chinese speakers/users. My edits weren't intentionally trying to be disruptive/vandalizing. N. Wang (talk • contribs) 17:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

You have twice been reverted and warned about changing the name. You have now changed it again after a final warning on your talk page. You say you don't intend to be disruptive, but the fact is that you are being disruptive. Kendall-K1 (talk) 17:13, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, I was trying to make that last edit on a mobile device, but had some difficulties with it. I do apologize for it being coming off as disruptive, and I did want to at least voice my intentions. Anyway, I'm not going to try to "debate" or "fight" with you about that since that matter is probably not something to deal with on an article's talk page that presumably is more meant for an article's content. I'm just going to leave this area to be about the point that you raised regarding the name. N. Wang (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 17:23, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Vulnerabilities

I have removed the following:

Computerworld reported in January 2015 that ZyNOS, a firmware used by some routers (ZTE, TP-Link, D-Link and others), is vulnerable to DNS hijacking by an unauthenticated remote attacker, specifically when remote management is enabled.

The reason being that:

1. This is old information, 6 years old is more than enough for any device in that Era to be End of Life

2. Vulnerabilities are not noteworthy, it is a fact of life for any IT product, firmware updates to address these are standard practice

3. For it to be vulnerable, remote access needs to be enabled. This is like leaving the Front Door to your house open and then complaining that your house is insecure.

4. It seems like someone would have added this in to give the appearance that TP Link products are 'insecure' as a form of marketing against a competitor

The Land of Smeg (talk) 05:48, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Brands

I have written new material about the Deco family of products but since I am new on Wikipedia I would appreciate edits or feedback. The information is accurate but I don't know how to add hyperlinks and structure an article as per policy. Feel free to edit or reach out to me if there are any questions in terms of the edits i've done. Should there be any mention of Wifi 6/AX compared to the other AC products? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blafflamm (talk • contribs) 06:45, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Rolled back

I rolled back some suspicious edits, which seem to be low-quality or promotional.

The reverted edits did a few things:

• Added Hong Kong as a second headquarters location, and changed the number of employees. These might in fact be correct but we need a reliable source.
• Added some uncited marketing copy to the lead.
• Replaced both images with apparent copyvio ones. Probably promotionally motivated.
• Removed direct references to the company being Chinese. Probably promotionally motivated.

73.223.72.104 (talk) 21:40, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Advertisement template

This edit by @Wintier adds an advertisement template to this article. I don't understand the justification for the edit, which is summarized in edit history as "(added advert warning template)." In order to improve the article, I'm asking for some guidance about what specifically needs to be improved. A number of editors have put effort into eliminating advertisement-based sources. However, reading the article now, most statements are factual and supported by legitimate sources. So I'm at a loss as to why the advertisement template would apply here, or what would need to be changed to justify removing it. Clarification would be appreciated, and absent any clarification I will WP:BEBOLD and remove it. Cleter (talk) 14:52, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the content that warranted that template is gone now, so it can be removed now. Wintier (talk) 17:02, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I will begin the deletion at once. Cleter (talk) 18:17, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Ongoing interference

Suspicious accounts continue to try injecting marketing-speak and scrub any mention that the company is now or ever was Chinese. Some rebuttals to the common arguments:

They have registered companies in many countries to do business there. That doesn't change the origin or host of the main company, controlling all the others, headquartered in Shenzhen, China.

For instance, their Singapore company is registered to 7 Temasek Boulevard, Suntec tower one, a building which happens to host "virtual offices" for companies that just want an address with their real presence elsewhere.

They also have a company registered in the UK: it's just registered to a distribution warehouse[3], not a headquarters.

Their real headquarters were designed by some very proud architects in 2017 [4]. I see no signs they've moved out.

On most of their country-specific "about us" pages they don't go into specifics about where they're based, but on their chinese "about us" page [5] (use google translate) they're happy to admit they're based in Shenzhen. I don't think the company's reluctance to admit it and the accounts here trying to conceal it are unrelated. I'm going to keep reverting all such edits for strong suspicion of WP:PE. If you want to argue otherwise, reply to me here with a reliable, notable source saying that tp-link is headquartered somewhere else. 82.12.148.203 (talk) 23:46, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Isn't that interesting; the corporate "about us" page that hasn't changed in years suddenly scrubs the references to being based in Shenzhen after I bring them up and link them here. Here's a diff of the changes (via google translate) if you're curious. I'll change the links in my original post to the archived versions, saved when I first posted them. 82.12.148.203 (talk) 18:26, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Huh, that is interesting. I kinda found my way into this whole mess, as every source except the TP-Link website cites their headquarters as being in China. However, I did find this "At the beginning of this year, TP-Link Corporation Group (TP-Link®) began its formal organizational separation from TP-LINK Technologies Co., Ltd. (TP-LINK®) in China, which now functions as a standalone entity. This separation encompassed all shareholdings and all operational aspects, including legal entities, workforce, research and development, production, marketing, and customer service." from the english website, inferring a split in the company in 2022, however, I cannot find any other corroborating sources for this split into a separate Chinese and non-Chinese entity. All very sus. 70.21.15.10 (talk) 01:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

@70.21.15.10 TP-Link's global and other non-Chinese sites now confirm the recent separation of its international business (now legally based in Singapore with marketing, R&D, etc. based in the U.S.) from the original Chinese company. https://www.tp-link.com/en/press/news/21130/ The Chinese company's site at https://www.tp-link.com.cn/ has reverted to the pre-2016 logo and now formally spells its name "TP-LINK" in all caps; though it still sells networking equipment most of TP-Link's international trademark lines (Archer, Deco, Omada, Tapo, Kasa) are no longer there. Meanwhile, the China page on TP-Link's international website apparently hasn't been updated since 2022. I'm not gonna edit the page myself (probably needs deeper confirmation), but I can think of three good reasons for TP-Link to spin off its international business: (a) the Chinese company has numerous service provider contracts with Chinese state entities that imply close links to the CCP which could lead to a Huawei-like ban; (b) lingering privacy concerns that have continued even after TP-Link moved its international data operations to Hong Kong a few years earlier; and (c) a growing reliance by the international company on Wi-Fi 6E & 7 products in the 6 GHz band which is not available for Wi-Fi in China. --RBBrittain (talk) 22:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

A shill went ahead and made the change; they cite a couple of churnalism mills regurgitating the press release. I'm reluctant to remove something that might now be true because of previous shady behaviour and WP:PE, but I don't like letting companies edit the wiki via press release. I don't know how likely we are to see independent confirmation or refutation of this in either scenario. 82.12.148.203 (talk) 23:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

English is not by native language so pls forgive any following mistakes I make.

Chinese wiki pages are facing same problems. Suspicious accounts have been removing any words about Mainland China (2024/6/15). Also, the descriptions in History are similar in all languages. Due to the political situation, i think it's crucial to emphasize TP-link's connection to China (PROC). Or creating a page to describe the connection between the companies under TP-link.

I believe that TP-link are trying to break away from China. You can't find anything about China by searching it on GOOGLE. Benson5650 (talk) 14:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Nationality and headquarters

Their Shenzhen headquarters are 43 times larger by floor area than the "global" US headquarters. I guess we can call them american, if that's where the ultimate legal ownership is. But I've put in some information about the "real" headquarters prominently in the lede. I thought the floor area ratio would be a bit too much detail so I left it out, so I put it here if anyone's interested. 688,100 sq ft in Shenzhen and 16,122 sq ft in Irvine. 82.12.148.203 (talk) 04:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree and I think the article even as it is currently ("TP-Link is an American electronics manufacturer of network equipment and smart home products.") is misleading and should be changed. What does it mean to say that a company is "American" or "Chinese"? There's the legal sense which is where the company is legally headquartered. In this sense TP-link is an American (or Singaporean?) company. However, there's another sense we are speaking of which describes the organizational attitude of a company, which is based on the people who founded it and the economic, social, political, and cultural attitudes of the people who work there. In this sense, TP-link is undeniable a Chinese company. I suspect when most visitors come to Wikipedia to look at TP-link, they are not looking to find whether TP-link is "technically" structured as a U.S. company. They are more likely trying to gain an understanding of the company that they are considering buying a product from. So I think it would be more beneficial to readers to describe it as a Chinese company until there is actual evidence otherwise. TrustworthyPerson (talk) 19:43, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Similarly, Alibaba is registered in the Cayman Islands but definitely still Chinese. The small US headquarters are more substantial than a tax haven shell company, though. We could go for clunkier verbiage, like how Dyson is introduced as a "Singaporean–British multinational technology company", or put a more detailed explanation in a footnote. For now I'm settling on "American-incorporated Chinese company". I'm very open to suggestions or discussions of alternatives. 82.12.148.203 (talk) 03:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Don't think readers will be confused about location and ownership. I copy edited for grammar and smooth English reading. If anyone has a problem with those edits, you can request that a more senior member of the GOCE look at it. TY. Here.it.comes.again (talk) 11:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)