Talk:TRL

TRL is more than simply an American television show. That is why I changed the redirect.--DeknMike (talk) 18:08, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

dab page already exists at TRL (disambiguation). use WP:RM to move dab here if you think the primary topic has changed -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:54, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

since there is a dab page, I moved the redirect there and made sure the TV show fan page was linked.--DeknMike (talk) 02:44, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but that results in a WP:MALPLACED disambiguation page, and changes the primary topic from the TV show to none. Please use WP:RM to move the dab here if you think the primary topic has changed. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:21, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Following your lead, I found that Total Request has been off the air for 4 years following a 10-year run (though it only used the TRL logo for the last 3 years); the topic garnered 5662 views in 2012 (I wonder how many of those were redirects for users looking for other topics?). On the other hand, Technology Readiness Level, a universal term used in manufacturing and product development since the 1974 (an older term) received 8144 views in 2012. By the standards of Wikipedia:PRIMARYTOPIC, a topic that is primary can be the one with respect to usage or the one primary with respect to long-term significance. A topic is primary for a term, with respect to usage, if it is more likely to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. With respect to long-term significance, the topic should be primary if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term. For both reasons, Technology readiness level should be the primary redirect.--DeknMike (talk) 23:47, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Those look like good stats for proposing the disambiguation page be moved to the base name (and that the incoming links that intend the MTV show be updated). -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:48, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Done (note that WP:RM allows any autoconfirmed user to make the move)--DeknMike (talk) 04:36, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't done. Redirecting this there creates a WP:MALPLACED disambiguation page. Use WP:RM to request that the disambiguation page be moved here. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:20, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Correction - it was done - multiple times - and you reverted it each time. As noted earlier [[WP:RM] encourages any autoconfirmed user to make the move. I did so based on the discussion in a previous paragraph of this page. WP:3 has been requested. --DeknMike (talk) 23:21, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

You appear to be confusing changing a redirect with moving a page. To quote the rest of the note at WP:RM that encourages autoconfirmed users: "Any autoconfirmed user can use the [move] tab located at the top of any page to perform most moves". And you have not been using the [move] tab, but the [edit] tab. The [edit] tab cannot move pages. To avoid the malplaced disambiguation page that you have created several times now, you will need to us a normal move request to move the disambiguation page to this title. The actual move, assuming the discussion results in a consensus to carry it out, will have to be done by an admin, since the target page TRL exists with history beyond the redirect to TRL (disambiguation) and so is one of the cases that cannot be carried out by every autoconfirmed user. -- JHunterJ (talk) 23:55, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

It's not WP:MALPLACED because both articles already existed, and neither is being deleted. Even the disambiguation page already existed, though no one would see it because of the autoredirect to Total Request (Neither article was originally named TRL.)--DeknMike (talk) 00:29, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Requested Move

TRL (disambiguation) → TRL (move) – User JHunterJ believes the use of the term TRL is best served with a redirect to the television show Total Request Live, which used the acronym from 2006 to 2008, when it ceased operation; he has a history of denying any attempt to change the link away from that page. I have tried to redirect to the generic disambiguation page which shows 8 alternate uses, including Technology readiness level, a term which has been in use since 1978 and is still widely used in scientific and manufacturing worldwide, with numerous technical references on Google Scholar. Each time, JHunterJ reverts to the fan page, claiming the change in redirect requires an Admin to accomplish. Request Admin assistance. DeknMike (talk) 00:29, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

• Support the move of the disambiguation page to the base name. I've tried to fix up DeknMike's broken move request; he is requesting that the disambiguation page be moved here, not that the redirect be moved on top of the (disambiguation) title. Disregarding DeknMike's inability to discern what I believe, what I have done is keep DeknMike from creating a WP:MALPLACED disambiguation page by redirecting this page there (which, like the difference between moves and redirect-changes, he still does not understand, given the last comment above), and from leaving the current incoming wikilinks intending Total Request Live from linking incorrectly to Technology readiness level when there has been no consensus to change the primary topic of TRL. DeknMike, kindly leave off from making any more statement about my beliefs, as you have done here and at the request for third opinion. I have said the move of the dab page here needs to be done by an admin, and the change of the redirect target needs to both be cleaned up (incoming wikilinks) and also have consensus. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:20, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

  But I think, DeknMike, you'll need to follow the instructions at WP:RM more closely, and subst the move request on Talk:TRL (disambiguation), the page you want moved here. -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:24, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

  Is that what you wanted? to copy & paste the dis page info onto the TRL redirect page? All I ever did was change the redirect - never tried to move; I did argue that Total Request was unworthy of being the base article, but that's different. I like your solution better, removing the "dis" and creating simply a list of what TRL could mean based on the researcher's context of understanding.--DeknMike (talk) 01:00, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

  No copy & paste. My suggestion has been consistent: use WP:RM to request the move of the disambiguation from TRL (disambiguation) to TRL. -- JHunterJ (talk) 22:28, 23 December 2012 (UTC)