Talk:Taça Rio

What happened in 94-95?

It is stated in the article "Taça Guanabara was competed by the champion of each one of the state championships rounds" in 94-95, but I found it difficult to understand. What is "the champion of each one of the state championships rounds"? Why would it lead to the discontinuation of Taça Rio in these two years? Any one can help clarify? Salt (talk) 17:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Check here and here. In 1994 and in 1995, Taça Guanabara was divided in two different stages (besides the final). In each year, the group winners played the Taça Guanabara final. In 1994 and in 1995, one of Taça Guanabara's two stages replaced Taça Rio. Unfortunately, in those years confusing league formats were very common. --Carioca (talk) 23:10, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your information. I have some more points would like to clarify though.

In the 1994 edition, the top two teams from each group played in the double round-robin Final Phase. However, there were still two additional matches between Vasco and Fluminense which were also won by Vasco. So, what was the purpose of those two matches? Vasco won the championships because of those matches or because they gained the most number of points in the double round-robin Final Phase?

For the 1995 edition, there was also a final match between Fluminense and Flamengo. Was it the final of the tournament played between the top two teams in the Final Phase? Salt (talk) 04:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi! Regarding 1994: if you are referring to the following matches, 03/Apr Fluminense 1-4 Vasco and 15/May Vasco 2-0 Fluminense, the first one was the Taça Guanabara final, while the second one was the last round of the double round-robin Final Phase, thus being Vasco's last match in the competition. Vasco won the Campeonato Carioca because it had more points than the others in the final phase.

Regarding 1995: if you are referring to the match Fluminense 3-2 Flamengo, played on June 25, it was the last round of the double round-robin Final Phase (which was competed by 8 teams), Thus being Fluminense's last match in the competition. Fluminense won the Campeonato Carioca because it had more points than the others in the final phase.

Hope that helps. --Carioca (talk) 18:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Undoubltedly the information you gave helps a great deal, especially on the way to improve this article which I believe is not informative enough for new comers of South American football.

Regarding the 1994 edition, I still have a final doubt. If the match on 03/Apr between Vasco and Fluminense was the Taça Guanabara final, does it mean it had no influence on anything concerning the competition of Campeonato Carioca but just a decorational match to determine the winner of Taça Guanabara? If so, then does it mean the double round-robin Final Phase played by the big four teams was not part of the Taça Guanabara because the Taça Guanabara had already ended with the Taça Guanabara final?

I'm sorry for asking too many questions, but your help is very useful and highly appreciated. One more thing, I have asked a question about the format change of Campeonato Carioca at here, please go to take a look if you are interested, and see whether you know the details. Thanks for your help again. Salt (talk) 16:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you are correct. While the Taça Guanabara is part of the Campeonato Carioca, it is also considered a separate competition, with even a trophy being awarded to the winner. The double round-robin Final Phase of 1994 Campeonato Carioca was played by the two best placed teams in each Taça Guanabara group. So, the Taça Guanabara is more or less a qualifying stage to the Campeonato Carioca Final Phase, but at the same time is a separate competition.

Regarding the other Campeonato Carioca seasons, I will post a message there.

Keep up the excellent work, Salt Yeung. --Carioca (talk) 23:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Method of grouping

The teams are divided into two groups. How are they grouped? By draws? Or according to their geographical location? Are any teams seeded so as to balance the number of strong teams in each group? Salt (talk) 04:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

There are four big teams, Botafogo, Flamengo, Fluminense and Vasco. Two of them are seeded in one group and the other two in the other group. It is possible that the other teams are seeded in some way, but the seeding criteria is not available in the competition rules. AFAIK the seeding criteria has never been publicly available. --Carioca (talk) 18:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)