Talk:Taipan (corporate title)

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For older discussions, see Talk:Tai-Pan (disambiguation).

Tai-Pan

• Hmm... my source says that it literally meant Supreme (Tai) Leader (Pan). Is this Pan word indigenous to Chinese, or is it a loan from Mongolian or something? Alexander 007 09:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Your source is likely Noble House. That same book (or it might have been Tai-Pan - by the same author) claims that phrase was normally used by the Chinese for the manager of a public outhouse, and thus calling foreigners that way served to secretly belittle them. The Chinese would call themselves something similar, according to that book. Dorfl (talk) 16:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Add IPA

Say it is pronounced like /dai ban/.Jidanni (talk) 23:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Unnecessary tag

This article is a short, accurate explanation of a term. I see nothing controversial in it. Only controversial content calls for a source tag. The only fault is that the article is a stub. Considering the rich history of the subject, the article begs for expansion. J M Rice (talk) 18:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 26 November 2023

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by nominator (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 17:12, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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Tai-pan → Taipan – WP:COMMONNAME: both OED and Merriam-Webster give the word as "taipan", no hyphen. Also, the word should not be italicized, since it appears in at least two major English dictionaries (per MOS:FOREIGNITALICS). SilverStar54 (talk) 05:50, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: The snake has more page views, and should stay at Taipan. I suppose there could be an argument that there is no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but I wouldn't support that either. YorkshireExpat (talk) 09:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@SilverStar54 and where do you want the snake article be moved to? – robertsky (talk) 13:44, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

My bad, overlooked the existence of the snake article. In that case, I suggest the article be moved to Taipan (business), or something similar. I still think it's confusing to use a non-standard spelling for the title (i.e., tai-pan). SilverStar54 (talk) 15:18, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I'd close this one down and start a new one. YorkshireExpat (talk) 16:17, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Withdrawn Sounds good SilverStar54 (talk) 16:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

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Requested move 26 November 2023 (2)

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The result of the move request was: Moved. Clearly there's consensus to remove the hyphen from this article title. Whether or not the snake is the primary topic can be discussed at Talk:Taipan if so desired. (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 14:40, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

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Tai-pan → Taipan (corporate title) – WP:COMMONNAME: both OED and Merriam-Webster give the word as "taipan", no hyphen. Disambig is needed since taipan (the snake) is clearly the primary topic. SilverStar54 (talk) 19:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 13:57, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. YorkshireExpat (talk) 22:01, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support Taipan (title), rename Taipan to Taipan (snake) and Taipan (disambiguation) to Taipan. No primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

  I have to disagree with moving taipan. The snake's page gets four-times as many views, as pointed out by YorkshireExpat. SilverStar54 (talk) 17:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

  Page views are not everything. Long-term significance is also a major factor. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  What do you mean? SilverStar54 (talk) 17:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

  Exactly what I said per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:04, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

  I'd suggest the snake has been around, and will continue to be around, for longer than the notion of the foreign business executive will. In terms of cultural impact it seems a bit closer. The executives have books and games written about them, but the snake holds a special place as one of the most, if not the most, deadliest snakes in the world. YorkshireExpat (talk) 13:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

  Just because something has been around longer does not make it more notable. In any case, the title has been in use longer than the name of the snake. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  Necrothesp, I understand that you don't think there's a primary topic; I'm asking you to clarify your reasoning. I don't understand how "long term significance" makes a species of snake less notable or a corporate title more notable. I'm open to being convinced I just don't follow the argument. SilverStar54 (talk) 20:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

  It doesn't. It makes them equally notable. Neither is more notable than the other. Both are of great long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

  I just disagree then. I don't think a regionally used corporate title that has almost completely fallen out of use is nearly as significant as the deadliest snake in the world. SilverStar54 (talk) 19:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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