Talk:Takamatsuzuka Tomb

I saw a source that the tomb if for Japan[1], and also a source that says it's for Chinese migrant[2]. I don't think there's an established theory of who is buried in this kofun. Mahal Aly 02:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

There's no "established theory", that why it said "may". Please read...

"...and may have been the tomb of a Korean noble."

http://www.art-and-archaeology.com/japan/takamatsuzuka1.html

Asuka period

--Sir Edgar 02:17, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Sir Edgar;

But some say it's for Japanese aristocrat, while some other says it's for Chinese.

How can you explain what source is "more established" than others?

At least, reading through Japanese and also some English sources, there are many disputes of who being buried, and no source is cogent enough to overwhelm the rest. Maybe I can translate Japanese Wikipedia for additional information.

Mahal Aly 02:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]

Here are some citations. Sir Edgar: I'm not sure if you want me to incorporate them based on your what you said on Talk:Japan so let me know how I can help.

Mahal Aly: Could you clear up some questions I have? Most sources I've seen say that the artifacts, tomb structure, and murals are "Korean." One source above says a "Chinese" tenant. First, does Chinese tenant mean someone from the Han commanderies in Korea? Second, would a Chinese person be buried in a Korean tomb or is the contention that the tomb is Chinese/Japanese in style?

Thanks! Tortfeasor 03:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

At this time, I'm fine with Kusunose's addition of content for more specificity. I'll be continuing to add and edit this article and your input is welcome.--Sir Edgar 07:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Tortfeasor;

To say the style of tomb, it seems possible to say that it is either Chinese style or Korean style. For instance, both in Tang(永泰公主墓) and Goguryeo we can find the portraits quite similar to Asuka Bijin of Takamatsuzuka. Also, there is also a theory that it is not an exact Goguryeo style because it draws both abigails and portraits (in Goguryeo tombs no human portraits comes together with abigails' drawing). It might be possible that the tomb is for Chinese or someone with close relation to China.

IMHO, however, it doesn't seem much likely to be for Chinese, as there is little evidence of Chinese with such high class in written history. Although there were some Tang diplomats visiting Japan at Tenji's era, they seem to be returned as Tang lost hegemony in Korean peninsula.

Mahal Aly 12:24, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Pictures

If anyone has any useable images, they'd be most appreciated. -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 16:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

n00b suggestion

Hello!

I am not a specialist on tombs and I'm not even a regular contributor to Wikiedia, but I was just surfing around trying to find out more about tombs in Japan and thought it would be FANTASTIC if there could be an index page listing the known tomb sites in Japan (and of course linking to existing articles).

I've never made an index page and would very much like to avoid stepping on the feet of someone who knows better than I what is a tomb and what isn't. I'd be willing to do gofor tasks through the rest of Golden Week, though!

Sjcarpediem (talk) 05:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Happy Golden Week! Presuming that you mean kofun, there are about 30,000 of them according to this source so it would be cumbersome to list all in a single page. It would be feasible to list only the imperial or only the royal tombs however (see for the numbers the same source). Some of the more famous tombs are also listed in List of Special Places of Scenic Beauty, Special Historic Sites and Special Natural Monuments and in List of National Treasures of Japan (archaeological materials). bamse (talk) 10:25, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

"abigails"

there has got to be a better word that is more regularly and naturally used in modern spoken English than "abigail." "Abigail" in current standardized modern spoken English is a feminine given name, and use of the word as a non-proper noun to mean "serving maid" or similar hasn't been current in about three or four hundred years. Can someone who is familiar with the exact meaning of whatever term somebody has apparently translated as "abigail" here please localize it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.255.1.195 (talk) 20:59, 2 February 2014 (UTC)