Talk:Takeda Sōkaku

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Should Sokaku Takeda really be listed under "aikidoka"? --GenkiNeko 17:48, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Reply: No, I don't think so because aikido was created by his student Morihei Ueshiba and he didn't study under his student.

125.60.241.163 (talk) 15:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC) Archimedes: Sokaku isn't the founder of Daito-Ryu aikijutsu,... it was a form of fighting handed down through the generations of the Takeda clan, more precisely he learned it from a granfather's student Tanomo Saigo. Samurai Aikijutsu by Toshishiro Obata, c. 1987 published by Dragon Publishing Corp

Obata is not a very good reference (one should go to Takeda Tokimune, or Kondo Katsuyuki. There are plenty of Aiki News/Aikido Journal sources on this: http://www.aikidojournal.com/encyclopedia?entryID=664) but even a more careful examination of this source will reveal that Sokaku inherited the traditions of Aizu clan and combined those with other teachings to create what was known first as Daito-ryu jujutsu and then was later christened Daito-ryu aikijujutsu with no references to the term Daito-ryu being used before the 20th century.

Within the ryu Sokaku is referred to as the 'reviver' of the tradition but since he combined the original teachings with the teaching of other teachers to create a composite art and then christened the art Daito-ryu, most martial arts historians see him as the first practitioner of an art named Daito-ryu and the first to have practised the art in the form that he taught it, which had elements of the Ona ha Itto-ryu, Jiki Shin Kage ryu (perhaps the Mizuguchi Itto-ryu), Hozoin ryu etc. (see Serge Mol's "Classical Fighting Arts of Japan; Complete Guide to Koryu jujutsu)

We might say that the oshikiuchi was what was passed down and preserved within the Aizu clan and a broader art known as Daito-ryu was taught under Sokaku and then systematized by Tokimune.--Mateo2006 (talk) 04:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Reference Link Needed

This entry was lifted directly from http://www.daito-ryu.org/takedaso.html and hence this link should be appropriately credited. Plus, copying text from one source is not very encyclopedic. More sources are needed for this article.

==Flagged as a copyright violation (see above) I started a new article on the Temp page.Peter Rehse 05:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• The version with the copyright violation was deleted, and I replaced it with the rewritten version. Good work. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 17:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

New version

Great job - with citations and hopefully a pici we should be able to bump the article to a B class.Peter Rehse 03:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, still a work in progress. Pictures are always a problem because of the copyright thing. Will see if we can improve upon it soon. Not enough time in the day either!--Mateo2006 05:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Um - lets not try faking me out with links that redirect to empty pages. Ona ha Itto-ryu.Peter Rehse 06:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I've got to keep you on your toes!:) I thought I had fixed the link with the redirect but I had employed the same typo in it. Ona ha instead of Ono ha. :)--Mateo2006 13:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually I was looking for something on that school for a long time. Surprised it was in there.Peter Rehse 00:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Malformed sentence

This sentence doesn't make sense: "Okuyama taught Michiomi Nakano, who later as Doshin So, founder of Nippon Shorinji Kempo." Replace "founder of" with "founded"? 58.174.242.29 (talk) 14:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)