Talk:Taking the knee/Archive 1

no photo in this article ?!

I (German) am looking for a good for this article (and for a transkation I'm working on).

Some fellow wikipedian here who can help ? thanks in advance --Präziser (talk) 15:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

@Präziser: try commons:File:Oakland Raiders National Anthem Kneeling (37444579735) (cropped).jpg, the lead image of U.S. national anthem protests (2016–present), or another image from commons:Category:Taking the knee (protest). — Bilorv (talk) 18:16, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Combine with Genuflection?

Gesture is the same as that in Genufection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genuflection

Surely these should be the same article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.161.167.91 (talk) 14:10, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia rather than a dictionary, so articles cover topics/subjects rather than words/phrases. As genuflection appears to be an action taken in a particular social context that is unrelated to the social context of taking the knee, these are two separate things which should stand as separate articles. However, because they're the same physical gesture, I've added hatnotes at the top of both articles pointing anyone who's reached the wrong one to the other. If anyone has any sources that call taking the knee an act of genuflection, then maybe it should be mentioned in the article there briefly, and have a standalone full article here. It could be that taking the knee is a type of genuflection, but not vice versa. — Bilorv (talk) 16:49, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Taking the knee - Game of Thones

This phrase was brought into the public domain through its regular use in the Game of Thrones and described an act of supplication to a leader/king or head of a country or organisation.

The timing of Colin Kaepernick bringing the “taking a knee” phrase into the public domain brought about the confusion in the correct use of the two phrases. The correct phrase to use, in relation to BLM and peaceful anti-racism protests - is taking a knee.

The ready, but incorrect, adoption of “taking the knee” by politicians, the media and other influencers has led to its incorrect use by many people. It’s use and association with the act of supplication has perhaps influenced some peoples willingness to participate in sharing in the anti-racism message and mindset. It is sad. Le Brun20 (talk) 21:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@Le Brun20: Wikipedia doesn't publish original thought. We also don't set precedent, but follow it, so we can't call it "taking a knee" if it's most commonly described as "taking the knee". It is your opinion that the latter is incorrect, but not a fact that it is incorrect (there's prescriptivism vs. descriptivism underlying this). Are there any reliable sources (like news articles or academic papers) that discuss the subject you are talking about? — Bilorv (talk) 22:36, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Woke Marxism

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The lines in the lead about standing up to woke Marxism and concealing Marxism are all very POV, and sound like they're talking more about BLM than the knee gesture specifially. It could also use a more neutral source on any Marxism links than the heritage.org conservative thinktank. An IP reverted me when I took the content out, so some templates and a talk section are up. --Lord Belbury (talk) 13:57, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

The entire article was built on left wing and woke BBC propaganda, and when added source providing links to Marxism, the editors started to be concerned with neutrality. Typically promoting a gesture without knowing the interpretation of it in the past or in the present, and trying to validate a gesture politics — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:b44b:1600:3d69:556f:5118:2775 (talk) 14:54, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:No original research (particularly the section on synthesis), Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Conservative thinktanks are not good sources here. The rest of the sources don't say what you say they do. We don't care about your opinion (nor is my opinion relevant, so I won't tell you it), only what the sources actually say. — Bilorv (talk) 15:10, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

the heritage.org was given dedicated sentence, with suitable justification. The newspapers and sources provided are aligned with the article. And give a better coverage on the issues then entire BBC related reference list. You need to reread POV guidance better and give argumentation— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:b44b:1600:3d69:556f:5118:2775 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

the lines that the gesture against racism is promoted by a particular ideological groups like Marxists and woke ideologists, is a statement of fact. If you are unhappy that they have promoted it and want a reference I can add it— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:b44b:1600:3d69:556f:5118:2775 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Frankly the people here so aggressively deleting link to Marxists it is concerning.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:b44b:1600:3d69:556f:5118:2775 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

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