Talk:Tal Vez

Move?

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The result of the move request was: moved to Tal Vez. Favonian (talk) 20:53, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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Tal Vez (Ricky Martin song) → Tal Vez – It is the only article with the name as the other song listed in the disambiguation page redirects to its parent album Erick (talk) 07:49, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

• Even so, the dab page is more popular than the Ricky Martin one. --George Ho (talk) 08:02, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

  That doesn't mean much though as everyone wanting the Ricky Martin song will end up at the dab page... Nikthestoned 08:49, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

  at George Ho: The only other song listed at the disambiguation, Tal Vez (Kudai song) simply redirects the reader to the album it came from. There is no need for a disambiguation page if there is only one article about a song named "Tal Vez". Erick (talk) 19:26, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

• Support, by default per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, which would also obviate dab page, with only dab hatnote necessary. ENeville (talk) 20:40, 16 May 2012 (UTC

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Moved

(cur | prev) 05:14, 29 September 2014‎ Magiciandude (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (4,698 bytes) (0)‎ . . (Magiciandude moved page Tal Vez to Tal Vez (song): Not primary topic, other notable songs exists with that name) (undo | thank)

That seems to have been a good call. Three No.1 songs. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:07, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Tropical Airplay Year-end

@Max24: Hey Max. On the Tropical Airplay year-end chart, you entered the url for the Hot Latin Songs year-end chart instead of Tropical Airplay. Could you please fix this as I have no idea how to the Tropical Airplay charts from 2003 online aside from Google Books? Erick (talk) 03:31, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

@Magiciandude: Hey Erick. I tried to find it now but I can't :( I tried to play with the url and change the "htltitl.jsp" for something different but it didn't work. And on Google Books there is just Top 20...sorry... Max24 (talk) 13:49, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

@Max24: Ah dang, I was trying the same thing as well but to no avail. I was hoping to get the url to archive them. I have archived year-end charts for the Latin Songs and Latin Pop Airplay from 2002-2005 on WebCitation (since robot.txt is blocking WayMachine from doing it). If the url ever goes does, you'll be able to find on WebCitation since I archived them. Erick (talk) 18:02, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 7 September 2018

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Tal Vez and disambiguation page moved accordingly.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:29, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

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Tal Vez (song) → Tal Vez (Ricky Martin song) – If it is the primary topic, it should have been simply named "Tal Vez". But I doubt if it is, because of which it should be retitled to disambiguate from other songs named "Tal Vez" such as the Kudai song and the Marta Sánchez song. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:49, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support per WP:INCDAB. A title with disambiguation is already not a primary topic and should not hold a pseudo-primary for a disambiguation. Tal Vez (song) should redirect to Tal Vez. --Gonnym (talk) 07:29, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per WP:INCDAB. The Chilean No.1 single isn't as well known, but fair enough No.1 in two markets is still a No.1 In ictu oculi (talk) 11:18, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose but suggest moving back to Tal Vez and moving disambig page. Neither the Kudai song nor the Marta Sanchez song should have articles as they do not satisfy WP:NSONG and should be redirects to their parent albums, and both are woefully underreferenced, and both have been barely edited and one was redirected to the album already in the past (and then recently restored). (The claim that the Kudai Tal Vez charted in Argentina is totally unreferenced, currently.) SnowFire (talk) 23:29, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
• Move to Tal Vez and move the dab page to Tal Vez (disambiguation). The other two songs don't appear to be notable and are likely to be redirected, leaving only this article with this name.--Cúchullain ^t/c 18:10, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

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"Tal Vez (Martin songs)" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Tal Vez (Martin songs). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 17#Tal Vez (Martin songs) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 17:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tal Vez/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 22:55, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Reviewing now. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 22:55, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

• for his the One Night Only with Ricky Martin tour, – "his" too much?
• The intro states "It was released to radio stations by Sony Discos as the lead single from the album on March 8, 2003", but the infobox, obviously about the single as well, says "March 25, 2003".

• I'm sorry, a user kept doing edits, which were vandalism a few weeks ago. (They are blocked now from editing) I thought I have reverted all of them, but it seems I have missed this. The correct date is March 25 per the source. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 10:33, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

• Main text states "Tal Vez" was released to radio stations as the lead single from the album on March 25, 2003, contradicting the lead sentence (see point above)?
• which was supposed to be his first complete work in the field of songwriting – what does this mean, in which way were his other works not "complete"?

• The first song he wrote was "Volveras" from A Medio Vivir (album) (1995), but the other tracks were written by other songwriters. This album was meant to be the first album that he co-wrote all of its tracks. If my sentence is not clear, can you please suggest me to write it in another way? آرمین هویدایی (talk) 10:33, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

• I think this needs to be clearer, "complete" could mean anything. Maybe "which was supposed to be his first album in which he wrote or co-wrote all songs". --Jens Lallensack (talk) 19:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

• He initially planned to release the third English-language album as his seventh studio album, which was supposed to be his first complete work in the field of songwriting. Despite Sony Music Entertainment's original plan, he decided to release a Spanish-language album – this is contradicting or at least confusing. Was it "his" original plan or the original plan of "Sony Music Entertainment"?

• Both, I will change the phrase. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 10:33, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

• De Vita had previously composed Martin's 1998 song, "Vuelve" – "," too much?
• written by Franco De Vita – introduce in lead? ("Venezuelan singer-songwriter")
• an "aching reflection on lost opportunities and last chances".[17][18][19] – This is the quote, but this needs attribution. Who said it? And from which of the three sources is it?
• Lead: was filmed in La Boca – maybe add "near Buenos Aires", as this will help most readers.
• López managed to capture a real story about universal love, addressing the song's lyrics in the music video. – I think that conflicts with WP:NPOV. That he "managed" to do this is certainly subjective and not a fact, and needs attribution (According to xxx, López managed to …)
• The video was uploaded on the singer's YouTube channel on October 3, 2009, but was made unavailable after receiving 27.5 million views.[49] – Citing the Youtube video itself is possibly WP:OR? Next sentence as well?

• According to Wikipedia:Video links#As references, "There are channels on YouTube for videos uploaded by agencies and organizations that are generally considered reliable sources, such as the Associated Press's channel. These official channels are typically accepted. Content from the music video site Vevo, where record labels host their artist's music videos and also upload to YouTube, is an example of a primary source that might be used." Also as "a primary source may only be used to make descriptive statements that can be verified by any educated person without specialist knowledge", YouTube views are simply available for anyone without specialist knowledge. I think it is acceptable to use this as a source. Besides, you can check several featured articles such as Diamonds (Rihanna song) and Love the Way You Lie that have used YouTube links as a source for the views. آرمین هویدایی (talk) 10:33, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

• Ok then, thanks. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 19:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

• That is everything I found. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 23:46, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

@Jens Lallensack: آرمین هویدایی (talk) 14:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

•  Done--Thank you so much for devoting your time on it. I fixed all the issues, I hope I haven't missed anything. If I had, please tell me to fix it.آرمین هویدایی (talk) 08:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

• Thanks for the fixes, and congrats to the GA! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 22:32, 27 January 2022 (UTC)