Talk:Talpanas

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The result of the move request was: Page moved —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 23:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

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Small-eyed Duck → Talpanas — The purported vernacular name for this recently discovered fossil does not seem to be used anywhere except a single paper and Wikipedia and its mirrors (google search), and regardless, this should be at its scientific name. It is the only known species in the genus Talpanas, so it should be at the plain genus name. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 02:02, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

When moving than to Talpanas lippa because it could always be that another species of this genus will be discovered --Melly42 (talk) 11:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

See Ucucha's comment at Talk:Caecilita iwokramae, and WP:CRYSTAL. I doubt a new species will be discovered anyhow. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 16:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

• Support. The paper Innotata refers to is the current ref. 1. It refers to "aff. Anas sp." (most likely the same as Talpanas) as an "undescribed small-eyed duck". This is intended solely as a label, not an actual vernacular name, because it is not capitalized, unlike other vernacular names in the same table. Thus, "Small-eyed Duck" has not been used as the common name in any reliable source found so far; it should not be used on Wikipedia either. Ucucha 20:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Cf. also Talk:Law's Diving Goose, which seems to be by the same user (same style). —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 23:00, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

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That would be Talk:Chendytes lawi I referred to. —innotata (Talk • Contribs) 23:07, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 24 July 2017 Move to Talpanas

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The result of the move request was:  Done (pmc) DrStrauss talk please use {{ping|DrStrauss}} when replying 08:58, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

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Kaua'i mole duck → Talpanas – Shouldnt have been moved from the genus name Kevmin § 07:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Support per nomination--Kevmin § 01:36, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Oppose. Kaua'i mole duck is a monotypic species (Talpanas lippa) and an accepted vernacular name (see Hume & Walters 2012 (Extinct Birds 1st ed.), Hume & Walther 2016 (Extinct Birds of Hawaii), Hume 2017 (Extinct Birds 2nd revised edition)) --Melly42 (talk) 23:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

It was appropriately at the genus name, which is the more commonly used name for the taxon, the vernaular that is now used, is not commonly used.--Kevmin § 01:36, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Do you judge by Google or by released books? And this article on the species. --Melly42 (talk) 11:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I judge by the name most often found in the literature about it, and "Kaua'i mole duck" is far less used then Talpanas or Talpanas lippa. Hume & Walters 2012 creating a vernacular name does not mean it automatically trumps the most commonly cited name (the genus name).--Kevmin § 14:00, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Support: The vast majority of monotypic taxon articles use the generic name.--Mr Fink (talk) 23:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

This is not quite correct. Most monotypic bird species use the vernacular name if it is known and published --Melly42 (talk) 11:30, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

No, actually that is false, when the entirety of extinct bird species are looked at, the majority of extinct genera are at the genus name (per WP:Paleontology and WP:TOL guidelines)--Kevmin § 14:00, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

• Support. Google Books lends evidence to the suggestion that "Talpanas" is the more WP:COMMONNAME for this subject ([1] vs. [2]).--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:52, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support. Previous RM is supported by WP:Paleontology and WP:TOL#Article titles guidelines (...for a genus that contains a single species, the genus name should be used...), so the more recent undiscussed move should not have taken place. Andrewa (talk) 16:29, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME; Talpanas is more commonly used in reliable sources than Kaua'i mole duck. Plantdrew (talk) 16:36, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

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