Talk:Tam O'Shaughnessy

Notablility

She seems to be most notable for being Sally Ride's partner, personally and professionally. Hence, this article seems to clearly fall under WP:NOTINHERITED. In fact, the article wasn't even created until just after Sally Ride's death was in the papers. Peter G Werner (talk) 19:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

She's been notable since the 1960s as one of the most accomplished tennis players in America. See WP:NTENNIS. In fact, that's how she met Ride. Her subsequent accomplishments have also been covered. Jokestress (talk) 19:56, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

You have to demonstrate that notability. Is she covered as a principal subject in articles in the general sports press? Dovid (talk) 21:41, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

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I am suggesting edits to remove the non-neutral language from this post. Disclosure: I am not making edits directly because I have a professional relationship with the subject. I work part-time for Sally Ride Science.

Suggest changing: "She retired early to devote her time and energy to Sally Ride Science" to "She retired early to concentrate on Sally Ride Science."

Also suggest changing "Besides being a former science teacher, she is an award-winning writer of science books for children. O'Shaughnessy has written 12 children's science books, including six with Sally Ride. Their clear and eloquent writing style earned them many accolades, including the American Institute of Physics ..." to "Besides being a former science teacher, O'Shaughnessy has written 12 children's science books, including six with Sally Ride. They received the American Institute of Physics ..."

Also sugggest changing "The book combines reminiscences from Ride's family and friends with dozens of photos, including many never-before-published family and personal photos." to "The book combines reminiscences from Ride's family and friends with photos, including many family and personal photos."

Also suggest updating this sentence, because Sally Ride Science has been part of UC San Diego for six years now. Change "O'Shaughnessy is executive director of the resulting nonprofit entity, Sally Ride Science at UC San Diego, which is to create new educational programs and make use of existing Sally Ride Science programs." to "O'Shaughnessy is executive director of the resulting nonprofit entity, Sally Ride Science at UC San Diego, which has created new educational programs and made use of existing Sally Ride Science programs."Mking92124 (talk) 17:49, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Mking92124: I made the requested edits, with one modification. On the last edit you requested, I removed the last clause as it does not have a citation and is not directly about the subject of the article.Prernagupta1 (talk) 17:21, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi@Prernagupta1: Thank you for reviewing my suggestions. I also have one factual correction: Tam O’Shaughnessy says she and Ann Lebedeff were ranked as high as No. 6 in women’s doubles, not No. 3. I have a PDF of a page from the 1971 USLTA Yearbook showing their highest ranking, but I can't figure out how to attach a PDF here. If I can provide the PDF, are you able to make that fix, or should I post another suggestion and request for review? Also, are you familiar with the process for getting the advertising warning removed from the article? Do I need to put in another request to have someone review the article and remove that? Thank you. Mking92124 (talk) 18:17, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mking92124: The article requires a pretty substantial edit. Most of the statements in the article do not have references and should be removed. At a minimum, the unreferenced statements will need to be deleted before the advertising warning can be removed.Prernagupta1 (talk) 19:21, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi@Prernagupta1: OK, thank you. I will go through and provide references. Is the proper way to do that to list the links in the talk area? Mking92124 (talk) 20:06, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Mking92124 (talk) 15:42, 23 March 2021 (UTC) I am suggesting additional citations for the article so that the “Advertising” advisory can be removed. Disclosure: I am not adding these citations myself because I work part-time for Sally Ride Science. If these citations are adequate, please remove the “Advertising” advisory:

As a junior player, she was coached by Billie Jean King. (New citation: Sally Ride Science at UC San Diego. SRS cofounder Tam O’Shaughnessy to receive humanitarian award at Billie Jean King & Friends Gala. https://sallyridescience.ucsd.edu/tam-oshaughnessy-to-receive-humanitarian-award-at-billie-jean-king-friends-gala/ Retrieved March 22, 2021.)  WP:IS

O'Shaughnessy was being coached by Dr. Robert Walter Johnson, a physician who played a key role in the tennis careers of Althea Gibson and Arthur Ashe. (New citation: International Tennis Hall of Fame. Dr. Robert Johnson. Retrieved March 22, 2021. https://www.tennisfame.com/hall-of-famers/inductees/dr-robert-johnson)  The citation doesn’t mention Ms O’Shaughnessy

Johnson was an official of the American Tennis Association (ATA), an organization that promotes tennis for African Americans but welcomes players of all backgrounds. (New citation: American Tennis Association homepage. Retrieved March 22, 2021. https://www.yourata.org/) Not necessary

O'Shaughnessy also competed in the 1972 Wimbledon Championships. During her tennis career, she was ranked as high as No. 52 in the world in women's singles by the Women's Tennis Association and as high as No. 3 in the U.S. in women's doubles (with Ann Lebedeff) by the USTA. O'Shaughnessy won national hard-court doubles titles in the junior division (with Ann Lebedeff) and in the women's division (with Pam Austin).[4] (New citation: Sherr, Lynn (2014). Sally Ride: America’s First Woman in Space. Simon & Schuster, p. 194, ISBN: 978-1-4767-2576-5)(Need to change “ranked as high as No. 3” to “ranked as high as No. 6.” New citation: 1971 U.S. Lawn Tennis Association Annual Book. Page 130.)

After retiring from tennis, O'Shaughnessy was the founding publisher of the Women's Tennis Association newsletter for several years before going to college to study biology. (New citation (same as previous): Sherr, Lynn (2014). Sally Ride: America’s First Woman in Space. Simon & Schuster, p. 194, ISBN: 978-1-4767-2576-5)  Not done

O'Shaughnessy earned B.S. and M.S. degrees in biology from Georgia State University and a Ph.D. in school psychology from the University of California, Riverside. She was assistant professor of school psychology at Georgia State University from 1998 through 2001, and then associate professor of school psychology at San Diego State University from 2002 until 2007. (New citation: San Diego Business Journal. Tam O’Shaughnessy Appointed to Smithsonian Advisory Board. Retrieved March 22, 2021. https://www.sdbj.com/news/2016/nov/22/tam-oshaughnessy-appointed-smithsonian-advisory-bo/)  Done

O'Shaughnessy has extensive experience cultivating girls' and boys' interest in reading, math, and science. Besides being a former science teacher, O'Shaughnessy has written 12 children's science books, including six with Sally Ride. (New citation: Sally Ride Science at UC San Diego. Books. retrieved March 22, 2021. https://sallyridescience.ucsd.edu/books/)  WP:IS

As a scientist and educator, O'Shaughnessy became deeply concerned about the underrepresentation of women in science and technical professions. (New citation: Sally Ride Science at UC San Diego. Why Sally Ride Science? Retrieved March 22, 2021. https://sallyridescience.ucsd.edu/why-sally-ride-science/)  WP:IS

Research shows that young girls like science and have the same aptitude for it as boys, but in adolescence, girls tend to drift away from science, in part because of subtle stereotypes and lack of role models. (New citation: National Science Foundation. By age 6, gender stereotypes can affect girls' choices. Retrieved March 22, 2021. https://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=190924)  Done

In 2001, Ride, O'Shaughnessy, and three like-minded friends—Karen Flammer, Terry McEntee, and Alann Lopes—founded Sally Ride Science with the goal of narrowing the gender gap in science. (New citation: UC San Diego News. Celebrating 20 Years of Sally Ride Science. Retrieved March 22, 2021. https://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/feature/celebrating-20-years-of-sally-ride-science)  Done

From 2001 to 2015, O'Shaughnessy served as the company's chief creative officer, overseeing all content—books, websites, and teacher training curricula. She guided the creation of the Cool Careers in STEM and Key Concepts in Science programs, which combine professional development for teachers with student books and teacher guides. (New citation: Sally Ride Science at UC San Diego. Celebrating 20 Years of STEM Education. Retrieved March 22, 2021. https://sallyridescience.ucsd.edu/20th-anniversary/)  Not done

O'Shaughnessy also served as chief operating officer of Sally Ride Science from 2009 through 2013, chairman of the board of directors from 2013 to 2015, and chief executive officer from 2014 to 2015. (Add existing citation [1])  WP:IS

Sally Ride Science was acquired by the University of California, San Diego, in October 2015. O'Shaughnessy is executive director of the resulting nonprofit entity, Sally Ride Science at UC San Diego. (Add existing citation [2])Mking92124 (talk) 15:42, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@Mking92124: Please see the reason half of the citations weren’t implemented. They must be reliable and independent sources. Please read WP:RS and WP:IS. In answering your previous question, no, we cannot use a PDF in your posession as a reference. It needs to be made public by a reliable, independent source.

The Edit Request is now very long. It’s unlikely that it will be answered timely. For the sake of visilibity I suggest we mark it as partially done, and move on. Once you have collected independent, reliable sources for the missing statements, we can review them and edit them in, via a new Edit Request. Ferkijel (talk) 13:35, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ferkijel: Thank you for reviewing my suggested citations and adding some of them to the article. As you suggest, I will find new citations where they are still needed and include them in a new Edit Request. Is it possible for you to remove the advertising advisory from the article and instead add an advisory saying that more citations are needed? An earlier editor removed the promotional language from the article, so advertising-like language is no longer the issue. Thank you for your consideration. Mking92124 (talk) 17:31, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

It’s no problem at all. I found an interview with her, that could come handy, at https://www.windycitytimes.com/ARTICLE.php?AID=45588 Ferkijel (talk) 17:56, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Dr. Sally Ride-Astronaut

⟨⟩Dr. Sally Ride, born on May 26, 1951, was the first of three women in Space. She was the only American out of the three.