Talk:Tattooed Arm

Haitian or not

@Aciram: Jesus wept, would you stop edit warring already. I'll go ahead and open this now, since it should have been done as your first step after the first time you were reverted per BRD. Why are you insisting the person was a slave in a country that at the time did not exist? Especially considering her age at the time and the time of the Haitian Revolution, it is a pretty fair assumption she had died long before 1791. You wouldn't call a person who lived in British colonial Virginia 50/60 years before 1776 as a resident of the USA. Why are you insisting someone in St Domingue is a Haitian when Haiti as a country did not exist? If "slavery has never existed in Haiti" then how can she be a Haitian slave? Your logic is so far escaping me. Heiro 23:31, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't like to participate in conflicts, so I will leave this if it is important to you, but I feel I should explain my actions. The Category "Haitian Slaves" exists on Wikipedia. Slavery has never existed in Haiti. Yet, it the category does exist, and it is used. It even has a sub-category, named "Haitian rebel slaves". Again, Slavery never existed in Haiti. But it did exist in present Haiti when it was called Saint Domingue. These categories are well used here in Wikipedia, and have done for a long time without being deleted. As slavery never existed in Haiti, then it was my logical thought, that the category are used for slaves in Saint Domingue: that's what present Haiti was called when slavery existed there. And yes: all slaves in the two categories above, where in fact slaves in saint Domingue. Can you see the logic in this? The conclusion I see, is that the category is used for the slaves of Saint Domingue. And that is indeed also the case: you can se that for yourself, if you look at the slaves in those categories. The person of this article was also a slave in Saint Domingue. And because all slaves in Saint Domingue is in the category of "Haitian slaves", then I did not understand why this person should be treated differently. That's what the category is used for. If you want, that category could be renamed or deleted: but many categories here in Wikipedia, uses the present names of nations also for people who lived in those places when they had different names.

In my oppinion, you sound angry and insulting in you comment above. If you are not, I appologize: that maybe because I suffer from anxiety and often interpet people like that, so I may be completely wrong: my anciety issues cause me to over react. But I have no evil intention of any kind, and I did not mean to insult you. If you want this person to be categorized differently than all the other slaves of Saint Domingue, then I won't object. I will leave this to your own taste, and leave all this, because my mental state does not allow me to involve in conflicts. I appologize for my actions. --Aciram (talk) 00:27, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

My apologies, I didn't mean to be insulting, but yes I guess I was a little frustrated. Per WP:BRD (you Bold, get Reverted, YOU open up Discussion when challenged) this should have been started way sooner, although I am as guilty on that account as you are. And I as I noted, your argument was not making sense to me. I asked another editor who also edits a lot of southeastern Native American articles to please weigh in with a fresh set of eyes as I was afraid I had lost my objectivity. Heiro 19:36, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Problems

This article has serious sourcing problems. The Gayarré book, the only "source" provided for this article for years, relates that Bras Piqué, or "Pricked Arm", warned the French about the Natchez attack, but says nothing about what happened to her after the attack. I found the McCloud article, "Natchez Political Evolution", that was listed under External links, on line here, but it has no mention of Bras Piqué, or "Pricked Arm", or "Tattooed Arm". I therefore removed it from the article. That leaves two recently published books about the Natchez that I do not have access to. Unless someone can soon provide a reliable source for the fate of Tattooed Arm after the Natchez attacked the French, I intend to removed that part of the article. - Donald Albury 02:04, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Final fate of Tattooed Arm

I changed Category:Haitian slaves to Category:French slaves, and removed Category:People of Saint-Domingue, because, per the Barnett book, which is from an academic press, it is not clear that Tattooed Arm was sent to Saint-Domingue, and in any case we have, so far, no source indicating that she reached Saint-Domingue. Some of the Natchez prisoners may have been sold as slaves in New Orleans, or may have died in New Orleans, while some of those shipped to Saint-Domingue may have died en-route. - Donald Albury 18:51, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

That was exactly the thing that was bothering me, we know nothing about her life after being captured and sent into slavery. I didn't have time to do a deep dive into sourcing. Thanks for the objective set of eyes and the research. Heiro 19:27, 1 December 2019 (UTC)