Talk:Tautology (rhetoric)/Archive 2007

Is there such a word as "impliedly"?

This word appears in the paragraph which starts "The Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution", and I find it suspect; surely it should be "implicitly"? 193.122.47.170 21:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

http://www.dictionary.com - just look and see instead of asking; as you can see, questions you can answer for yourself in 10 seconds are likely to be ignored for over a year. :-) — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 03:11, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Tautology and Frege's "Use and Mention" as it applies to the Shahada

I welcome the individual(s) posting to the shahada bullet in the Pop Culture section to discuss why, if there is "no god but God" how the mention (or reference, bedeutung) of "god" can be different, in any language or cultural context than that used for the formal name (or sense, sinn) of "God" without invoking pluralism (shirk). In a wider context, I would like to see an informed discussion of how "Über Sinn und Bedeutung" applies to rhetorical tautologies, real and apparent. While Frege tended to deal, formally, with logicial tautologies, I do believe there is application here, though it may require that the use of semantics be brought in as well. 203.118.10.2 04:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

The Los Angeles Angels

This wouldn't be an example of a tautology: it's a seperate reference to a team nickname and the name of the city they're based in. "The Angels, of Los Angeles". (Additionally, they're now the Los Angeles - Anaheim Angels, if I recall correctly.) 69.95.74.178 05:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The translation of "The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" is incorrect as well. Anaheim, according to its wikipedia page, is a combination of "Ana", referring to the Santa Ana River, and "heim" which is German for "home". Therefore, a full translation would be "The The Angels Angels of the home of the Santa Ana River". I don't know where Anaheim translating to "angel-home" came from, but it's incorrect -- at best, you might argue "saint-home", but "river-home" would be more accurate. Furthermore, I'm not sure this is any more tautological than the "Augsburg Auggies", "Lake Forest Foresters", "Pacific Lutheran Lutes", "St. Lawrence Saints" or any other team name that takes their name from where they play.--Ahecht (talk) 19:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Windows NT

Another well known example to many computer users is Windows 2000, which stated on its splash screen that it used "NT Technology" (New Technology Technology).

I deleted this because Microsoft has said that NT doesn't stand for anything before Windows 2000 came out. - furrykef (Talk at me) 13:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

. And what about after it came out? — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 20:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't really need to back that up with a source, because that text is not essential to the article and the point is already perfectly clear by that point anyway. I don't think it adds terribly much to the article whether or not it is correct that "NT" doesn't stand for anything. But if you insist, you can have a look at Windows NT#'NT' designation. But I think if this were to be added back in, it might be better to add it to RAS Syndrome instead, since it's an example of that. - furrykef (Talk at me) 02:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't take {{Fact}} on a talk page too seriously, it's just a shorthand for "Where is it that 'Microsoft has said' this?" I wasn't expecting <ref name="Microsoft.com2007">{{Cite web...}}</ref> as a response or anything. My main question was about the timing, but your RAS point actually moots the entire issue, really. Good call. :-) — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 12:36, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Schwarzenegger

Is Arnold's last name a tautology? "Schwarz" and "neggar" both seem similar to words meaning "black", so his name would be "Black black". I'm no linguist, so I'm not sure if this is legit or not... Lurlock 20:33, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah...right! Or it could be that Schwarzenegger's ancestors were Swiss and hailed from Schwarzenegg - between Unterlangenegg and Oberlangenegg - about 25km south-east of Berne. I'm no linguist...but which one sounds more likely‽ -=0 Steelwool 0=- 23:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

As above, this is a proper noun, not an argument, therefore can't be a tautology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.163.169 (talk) 23:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

28 Days Quote

The character might say it's a "tautology," but her quote is actually an example of circular reasoning. (Note, though that the reason the sky is blue is not what she states!) I think this ought to be removed, since it's a bad example. YorkBW 15:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I would have to agree - it is perhaps more suited to the entry on logical tautologies (which is not very reader friendly!). Same with the Ayn Rand example... Go ahead, remove it. -=0 Steelwool 0=- Steelwool 23:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Tuna fish

Tuna fish is not a tautology since there are non-fish tunas (e.g; pears). --Belg4mit (talk) 23:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Irony

Currently the first sentence of this article reads: "In rhetoric, a tautology is an unnecessary (and usually unintentional) repetition of meaning, using different words that effectively say the same thing twice (often originally from different languages)."

Heheheheh. —Jemmy_tc 20:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

FFS, this is not irony, it is self referential humor. There is NOTHING ironic about an article on redundancy being redundant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.14.238.200 (talk) 00:33, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I think though, it would be verging on irony if we managed to have a discussion about what irony is on a page about redundancy when there is a perfectly good discussion about what irony is on the irony page.Et Amiti Gel (talk) 02:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed this too. It is irony, in so far as the definition "an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected." Nothing precludes that from being humorous by the way, and nobody should argue if one were to state "Irony, thy name is the Wikipedia tautology page" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.227.130.138 (talk) 06:27, 26 August 2011 (UTC)