Talk:Technical University of Munich/Archive 1

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"Technical University of Munich" is the wrong name

It's odd that the redirection goes "Technische Universität München" → "Technical University of Munich". The official name of this university is "Technische Universität München" only. It is not to be translated into other languages (there's no such thing as a "Technical University of Munich", for instance). I don't have any references at hand right now. But I used to work there and I know that this is the official policy. Note that the TUM website also uses the German wording only. (You wouldn't call MIT "Technologieinstitut Massachussetts" in German either.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.130.79.162 (talk) 13:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

That's right. The fact that it is to be named "Technische Universität München" only, and not, e.g., "Munich University of Technology" or "Technical University of Munich" is explicitly stressed out in the "Corporate Design Style Guide", which you can download from http://www.tumcd.de/index.php?id=4 ... if you work at TUM, that is. :-( And if you can read German texts.

Anyway, I pledge that we move the article to the correct title "Technische Universität München", since there definitey does not exist any official English name for this university. --Wutzofant (✉✍) 13:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Guys, the uni's policy is not relevent here, really. The question is what is more often used? Technical University of Munich is used by some good sources. Of course, Technische Universität München is also used. Personally I think Technische Universität München is likely to be the most used one, even if we exclude german language sources, but it is important to note that we would do so based on our policies, not the university's. --Narson ~ Talk • 10:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I have removed this from uncontroversial requests at requested moves. It may be correct that it should be moved but it has the appearance, without evidence, to go against our naming conventions policy and so is not uncontroversial. Please read WP:COMMONNAME and then read WP:OFFICIALNAME. The upshot is that we go by the common name used in English language sources, and what the official name is matters little. This does not mean necessarily that it shouldn't be at the foreign title, if that's what's used commonly in English. To illustrate, it's Bastille Day, not le quatorze juillet or Fête Nationale, but it's Yom Kippur, not Day of Atonement. In both cases, the one using the English name and the other the foreign, English language usage is what's key. So if you want to make a requested move, provide evidence and then list it as a regular request.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I am voting for the move to the German version. Understanding all arguments given above, I challenge that the English version is more often used in English. The reason for this is that the term is mainly used by Germans talking/writing about their alma mater and that their usage slowly adapted to the University-mandated term "Technische Universität München". This also reflects a broader change in the usage of foreign names: People are generally traveling more since a few decades and adapting to local naming conventions. Now, I find it hard to "prove" which name is more commonly used. But I'll give it a shot by providing the links to Google searches for the respective names (setting the Google language as well as the language of pages searched to "English"):

• http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Technische+Universit%E4t+M%FCnchen%22&hl=en&lr=lang_en: 332k hits
• http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Technical+University+Munich%22&hl=en&lr=lang_en: 137k hits

I realize that there are also German pages listed in these results. However, it's the best evidence I came up with. And until someone comes up with a contrary finding and prove, I'd say "Technische Universität München" is more commonly used in English. --Keilandreas (talk) 18:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

The naming should definitely be Technische Universität München. The most common usage of this is on the university's website (where it is in the german naming even in english option) and all the university's publications. As previous indicated, this is corporate design, so, expect all publications to be in the german naming. See yourself. PRL is one of the most precious journals in physics (not just some stupid publication I found...). All in all, the university is calling itself Technische Universität München, all the publications read with Technische Universität München, how often do I have to write it to make the really bad translation of technical university munich go away?2602:304:56B5:3D9:558F:BB3B:C55A:B315 (talk) 05:03, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

No, TUM should be called (a) 'Munich University of Engineering', similarly to the current name of former 'Brooklyn Polytechnic', as German 'Technische Universität' (previously 'Technische Hochschule') means also in German exactly 'Polytechnikum' (see TUM's name in 1868), i.e. a school teaching engineering (+ sciences related to engineering) as oppose to old, narrow meaning of 'Universität' reserved previously for only humanistic (liberal arts) faculties in Germany, separated from engineering, or rather (b) 'Munich University of Technology', as it includes non-engineering faculties for medicine, sports, education. The analysis of the school profile is the proper way to translate its name, and not of just semantics of its name, as the scopes of meaning of similarly sounding words in different languages, as 'technical' and 'technische', differ.

You can say in English 'technically' as a synonym to 'strictly speaking', but not in German. You cannot translate literarily 'technology of sound' to German despite the word 'Technologie'. The word 'technology' has the applicable scope of meaning, as it "refers to methods, systems, and devices which are the result of scientific knowledge being used for practical purposes", as the word 'technische' that is broader in meaning than English 'technical', which "means involving the sorts of machines, processes, and materials that are used in industry, transportation, and communications".--67.87.190.87 (talk) 00:15, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 17:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

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Technical University Munich → Technische Universität München – The naming is a very important topic and in this talk-pages intensely discussed. I'd like to make the point that the university clearly uses the term Technische Universität München always. Even though I can not reference any corporate design, I think it is enough to know, that all the employees use the german variant in their english publications, e.g. here. Please follow also the discussion of RWTH Aachen (RWTH as a branding) and the discussion about the TU Darmstadt that clearly restricts the use of any translation. Recently, TU Berlin made a similar move, suggesting the german variant as a corporate design. 2602:304:56B5:3D9:558F:BB3B:C55A:B315 (talk) 06:11, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - This is the English Language wikipedia. According to Wikipedia policy, the English name or English translation should be used as it is the most frequently used and recognised name within the English speaking world; regardless of what the official name is. RE: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English), Wikipedia:Article titles, WP:COMMONNAME, Wikipedia:Official names etc. --Rushton2010 (talk) 15:56, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Comment - Technical University Munich is neither the english translation nor a english handle for the university. If you look at the books, Technische Universität München is the handle for the written english/english naming. The most elegant translation would be TU Munich, which is of course a short handle for the above suggestion. --134.79.222.200 (talk) 22:51, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

• Support - Think of older publications (that are still in english) but definitely referenced with the german handle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maderthaner (talk • contribs) 07:20, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support When English sources use Technische Universität München we should as well. Agathoclea (talk) 08:59, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support per nom. The German name is the most commonly seen. We do not translate everything for the sake of it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:22, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support per English sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:31, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

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Article name: now back to the English commonname

Note to document recent activity on the Talk page: This article was recently MOVED back to the official English name—Technical University of Munich—as released by the university, per an uncontested move at WP:RM. See here for the permalink of that move, etc. Cheers. N2e (talk) 16:53, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

No, TUM should be called (a) 'Munich University of Engineering', similarly to the current name of former 'Brooklyn Polytechnic', as German 'Technische Universität' (previously 'Technische Hochschule') means also in German exactly 'Polytechnikum' (see TUM's name in 1868), i.e. a school teaching engineering (+ sciences related to engineering) as oppose to old, narrow meaning of 'Universität' reserved previously for only humanistic (liberal arts) faculties in Germany, separated from engineering, or rather (b) 'Munich University of Technology', as it includes non-engineering faculties for medicine, sports, education. The analysis of the school profile is the proper way to translate its name, and not of just semantics of its name, as the scopes of meaning of similarly sounding words in different languages, as 'technical' and 'technische', differ.

You can say in English 'technically' as a synonym to 'strictly speaking', but not in German. You cannot translate literarily 'technology of sound' to German despite the word 'Technologie'. The word 'technology' has the applicable scope of meaning, as it "refers to methods, systems, and devices which are the result of scientific knowledge being used for practical purposes", as the word 'technische' that is broader in meaning than English 'technical', which "means involving the sorts of machines, processes, and materials that are used in industry, transportation, and communications".--67.87.190.87 (talk) 00:16, 18 March 2018 (UTC)