Talk:Technoblade/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: Bluecrystal004 (talk · contribs) 02:46, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

I'll give a look at this during the week. If I haven't reviewed by Sunday (the 14th), feel free to ping me. Bluecrystal004 (talk · contribs) 02:46, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bluecrystal004: thank you for your interest in the Good article process. I'm just a passerby, but I have concerns over whether or not you're suited to perform this review, especially given how contentious the article is at the moment. Are you sure that you have the experience to review this article? —VersaceSpace 🌃 03:08, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Activity on this has mainly died down, as it has been two months since he died. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 05:32, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

No worries. After my original comment, I looked through the user's contributions and found another GA review, which I found to be good enough to alleviate any concern I had about a quality review being done. —VersaceSpace 🌃 05:39, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bluecrystal004 It's the fourteenth now. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 12:49, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Copyright

• Infobox image has acceptable fair use rationale.
• Ran the article through Earwig and it looks good. I believe the few sentences that were flagged are just a website that copied some info from Wikipedia.

Stability

• Article is stable now, without edit wars and there seems to be consensus over past disputes. Only thing right now is a minor disagreement over the channel URL.

General comment

• The sheer number of citations really hurts readability and is completely unnecessary for most claims. Any instance of having 3 or 4 citations on a single claim can definitely be reduced to 1 or 2 without sacrificing verifiability. It definitely feels like WP:CITEKILL in some places.
  • I'm probably the one to blame here, since I was a major contributor to the sources in this article. I'll be careful next time.  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Infobox

• As far as I can tell, Creator Award dates for YouTubers require citations. I think archives of his YouTube channel when it reached these sub milestones will suffice.
  • I couldn't find any sources detailing his subscriber milestones, so it seems like the best choice here is to cite SocialBlade.  Done by Sparkl^talk 14:59, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Lead

• He died in June 2022 of metastatic sarcoma. - Here, the lead and body disagree. Since the body never claims that he actually died of sarcoma, I would rephrase this sentence in the lead as well. Also this doesn't need to have any citations, let alone four of them, if the claim is sourced in the body of the article.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• I'd recommend expanding the lead a bit. It's probably not two paragraphs worth, but it seems possible to add a few sentences about his death (the reactions to it) and legacy, and maybe about his accomplishments in Minecraft.
  •  Done by nom. I'm not sure if the current lead prose is long enough, but I'd say it's decent. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Career

• Cale Michael of Dot Esports named him as "one of the best Minecraft players in the content creation space, especially when it comes to player versus player events." - Cut this up into more paraphrasing and less of a direct quote of a sentence.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• Technoblade became a member of the Dream SMP Minecraft server in 2020 - A brief explanation here of what the Dream SMP is would be nice to uninformed readers ("... , a collaboration between popular YouTubers, ..." as an example)
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• In September 2021, Technoblade raised over $300,000 for the Sarcoma Foundation of America through a charity livestream, passing the $250,000 goal within two hours. - Chronologically speaking, this should go before Around the time of his death in June 2022...
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Personal life

• Technoblade was born on June 1, 1999. - I'd just drop the TheWrap source, since it doesn't even back up this claim really. His tweet alone is fine.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• He was an English major but later dropped out of college to play Minecraft full-time. - The very same thing is mentioned in the Career section, so remove one of these. Personally I'd keep this sentence here and remove it from Career, but either way is fine.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• The rest of Technoblade's personal life remains unknown. - Something about this sentence seems off to me, like it's unencyclopedic. Could just remove it and rephrase the next sentence as well.
  •  Done by Sparkl^talk 14:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Cancer diagnosis and death

• The video tribute became the top trending video - Somewhat inaccurate to call it a video tribute, since this is referring to the announcement video.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• His channel also gained more than 5 million subscribers posthumously. - I might be wrong, but if he had 10.8 million subscribers around the time of his death, and has 15.2 million now, that's just false. Either way, it doesn't seem pertinent to mention in the article.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• as well as Simon Collins-Laflamme, the co-founder of Hypixel, and Elon Musk. - This shouldn't go at the end of this sentence, since it creates ambiguity about the target of Dream & others' condolences/support. Put these two earlier in the sentence or in a new sentence entirely.
  •  Done by Sparkl^talk 14:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• and the Sarcoma Foundation of America sent its support to the family, who also created a special tribute on their website. - Same problem as above, it really sounds like the family created a special tribute, not the Sarcoma Foundation.
  •  Done by Sparkl^talk 14:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
• "the video they shared contains all information they are comfortable sharing at this time." - I recommend paraphrasing this instead of directly quoting it.
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Notes

• In line with the rest of the article, the note should probably use "Technoblade", not "Alexander".
  •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Sources

• Passes 2a with flying colors. Congrats!
• In general, it seems like a really bloated references section. Although not strictly necessary for GA, I'd recommend removing redundant citations, especially to lesser-quality/less reliable sources.
• Reviewed this version of the article.
• Spotchecked 4, 11, 16, 24, 34, 43, 55.
  • 4
  • 11
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  • 34
  • 43
  • 55 in reference to one of his common catchphrases. - not supported by either source
    •  Done by nom. Sparkl^talk 13:45, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for the wait on this review. It was a bit of a downer going back and reading some of the sources on this article, but these are my thoughts on it. Obviously I have an issue with the number of sources on this article, so trimming that down would be a great improvement. Also, I passed it on the NPOV criterion -- the article is generally positive, but I couldn't really find negative coverage of him (not that I did too much Google-fu). I've put the nomination on hold for now; I think these issues can be fixed in a decent time frame. Let me know once you've addressed these points. Bluecrystal004 (talk · contribs) 01:15, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I would like to add a comment to this review: The lead appears to be much too short for a GA. Per MOS:LEAD, the lead should provide a general overview of the topic, while the current one simply says that he was a YouTuber, and died in June 2022. I suggest that more content from this article be included in the lead. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 02:11, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

@Bluecrystal004 Does that fix the citation overkill and OR? — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 08:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I think I've done most of the suggestions except for infobox (I'm not experienced with Wayback Machine), but, after reading through PewDiePie, another YouTuber GA, I realized there should probably be a section for content and image here. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 12:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I think Vortex3427 and I have fixed all of the issues here. I'm a bit stumped or uncertain about the lead situation though. Sparkl^talk 14:59, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

So I have looked at the lead, but I feel it would be difficult to expand upon it any further, especially on some of his major accomplishments in Minecraft, without going into topics which would only be understood by a handful of his audience (which is explained better in Q3 of the Frequently Asked Questions). Johnson524 (Talk!) 17:21, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

It seems so, I also couldn't find a way to expand the lead without creating a WP:FANCRUFT tone. Other than that, the article has it's issues resolved and is in good standing, now we can just wait until the verdict. Sparkl^talk 19:04, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I decided to be bold and made some changes to the lead myself. Let me know what you think of this lead section now. As for the other points, they've been sufficiently addressed it looks like. One last thing, though: at the end of the article, the phrase "After an online petition" isn't backed up by the sources, best I can tell. Pending that, and consensus on the lead, I'll pass the article. Bluecrystal004 (talk · contribs) 19:31, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, @Sparkl and @Bluecrystal004! I swear that a petition was mentioned in the Dot Esports source, but I looked back and didn't find anything, and it's already been changed anyway. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 22:28, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Looks fine now. Thanks for your work on this article, @Sparkl and @Vortex3427. Promoting to GA now Bluecrystal004 (talk · contribs) 03:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@Vortex3427: @Bluecrystal004: No worries, and take care! Sparkl^talk 03:34, 16 August 2022 (UTC)