Talk:Ted Deutch

Isn't this article biased and not fair-ly balanced. (afterall, it is not a carnival of an article) Opinions, thoughts, beliefs.... Where is there any talk about this clown of a BLP?

2602:306:CE98:1510:4CEF:D74C:D98C:4A0E (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Inclusion of high school

The inclusion of the high school this person attended is not important enough to include in his article. Why include it? The school is not worthy of mention in this article. The article states where he received his degree in law as that is noteworthy. Everyone who has attended a university has attended SOME high school, that is a given...but why is that important to this article? Let's stick to the facts and not muddy the waters with gibberish.

Every article on cities and towns includes a notable resident section. I suggest that is where it should be added (just not by me), in that article it MIGHT be more appropriate of inclusion, rather than in a BLP. Bethlehem High School is not a school for highly intellectual people so why include it a BLP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CE98:1510:4CEF:D74C:D98C:4A0E (talk) 14:56, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

• It's included this page provides biographical data about this individual, and his education is part of his biography. You are assigning your own biases to whether this information warrants inclusion because you say the high school is "not a school for highly intellectual people" or, as you say in your edit history, its "not MIT". This is a violation of WP:WHOCARES. It's not your place to make such judgments. The fact is this is relevant biographical information cited by a reliable source, and you haven't cited any policy-based reasons that it should be excluded. — Hunter Kahn 19:03, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I didn't cite any wiki policies that say that it should be excluded? well, I didn't have to...you did and I have pasted it here for you and I to debate. So...here goes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CE98:1510:4CEF:D74C:D98C:4A0E (talk) 14:50, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

So, you say it violates WP:WHOCARES well looking at it Keep Interesting. – Fascinated, 05:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC) Delete Not interesting. – Borrrrrinnnnng, Delete Who cares about this stuff anyway? – Indifferent,

Interesting?...(hardly) fascinating (no, not at all). (it says delete it) Borrrrring... Yes, very boring and whimsical trivia at best. (It says delete it) Just because I say no one cares does not mean that is being indifferent. Sometimes, when stating something is unimportant the only motive is the articles integrity and importance. Now, if you were to include his voting record or his stance on ISIS or some other relevant fact, I would not necessarily say that was uninteresting or irrelevant (it would not be). So, try to add to the articles depth and importance. Let us not bore the readers with silly trivia of no importance.

The fact remains that NOT every bit of information that can be cited is something that should be included. Bethlehem HS is just a school, much like the tens of thousands we have in this nation. Why is it important enough to be included? It is not interesting to nearly all! The school is just a school for high school students. I understand that it seems important to those who live there or went to school there but other than that why include it at all? The same argument could be made for hundreds of little trivial facts. The fact that he may have grown up next to some local celebrity would not be important to include in his BLP. Therefore, I have reverted your edits. Hope you don't become obsessed on including something some minute that you will require all readers of this article to read such nonsensical gibberish in his BLP just because you attended that school. Please feel free to include it the articles for the town, school, alumni articles. Now, there I could actually see it as belonging. Thank you and have a blessed Thanksgiving! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CE98:1510:4CEF:D74C:D98C:4A0E (talk) 14:43, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

• I believe it's WP:COMMONSENSE that educational history is basic biographical information, not an unimportant piece of trivia. Frankly, your motive for excluding this information is extremely unclear. How anybody could say his high school is "silly trivia" is beyond me; should we remove his birthday and place of birth next? You've once again failed to cite any policy-related reasons for reverting information that is cited by reliable sources, and your argument that including a sentence about what high school he went to will somehow open the floodgates for "hundreds of little trivial facts" is, quite frankly, absurd. But I'd like to avoid getting into an edit war with you over this, so I'm going to attempt to bring others into this conversation to determine a WP:CONSENSUS before reverting you again. (See here, here, here and here. — Hunter Kahn 15:29, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
• It is long-standing and widespread practice that educational background is included in most biographical articles. I can pull up dozens of FA and GA level biographies, and nearly all of them contain information about the education of the subject. If it is referenced, there's no compelling reason to keep it out of this article when it is well established to include it everywhere else. --Jayron32 15:56, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
• I concur: a person's education is basic biographical information. For someone with a university degree, I would consider the high school optional, but not "nonsensical gibberish" and a brief mention is in order if reliably sourced. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 16:11, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
• This is a ridiculous argument. It is common in biographies, both on Wikipedia and in other reputable sources, to include the secondary school that an individual attended. Look at any biographical dictionary. I have no idea where the original poster is coming from here and, since it seems so nonsensical, can only wonder whether they may have an axe to grind against the school? -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
• I echo the comments of others, and wonder why the anon IP cares so very much about this issue: in the pithy term, he really has his ass in it. We're not talking seven paragraphs of info about his high school, we're talking seven words. It's a sourced piece of info, it's short and to the point, the article is by no means overlong already, and there is no policy reason whatsoever why it must be removed. Something here just doesn't make sense, short of the IP having attended the school's archrival. Ravenswing 17:40, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
• Brief info on where-raised, high school and college attendance, etc. are standard and expected in most biographies. Their ratio of (what it tells you about the subject)/(text length) is high. EEng (talk) 09:38, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
• Standard to include, not only secondary school, but primary, as well, where it can be found. Student7 (talk) 19:11, 30 November 2015 (UTC)