Talk:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987 TV series)/Archive 1

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Two questions

1. What is Irmas last name? Some sources say Langinstein, other sources say Margrat.

2. When the episodes during the first seasons start, you can see Leonardo eating a pizza (which I can accept) and Michaelangelo holding two katana swords. Why is Michaelangelo holding two katana swords?

Probably because there plenty of animation mistakes.

Okay, Mr. Unsigned Answer above me, and Mr. Unsigned Questions way above me, first, always sign your posts. Second, Irma's last name? Really? I've never come across her last name off the top of my head, but I assume Random House thought her a "yenta" and gave her a "coffee talk" accent. As for the animation errors, those were frequent, as, at the height of TMNT in the first cartoon era, the episodes had to pump out 65 weekday episodes as well as 22 to 26 Saturday morning double episodes (so, in reality, more like 44 to 52 Saturday episodes). That's about, I'm guessing, around 110 to 120 episodes a year per season. That's enough to drive you batty at the Korean, Taiwanese, or Japanese animation houses that're drawing these! Apple8800 (talk) 19:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Merge

• Merge makes sense to me. D-Rock 19:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Do merge. DrKC9N 03:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Song Lyrics

It's really hard to understand whether the lyrics in the theme song are "Raphael is cool, but crude" babyyy i lub you huber.or "Raphael is cool, but rude." The closed captioning on the DVD release says "rude", but the official TMNT website says it's "crude". A Google contest yields results of "crude": 492; "rude": 477, but that's way too close for my tastes. But it's worth looking at a few of these search results [1] which may clear things up a bit. I've sent a query at the TMNT website just to see if they can clear things up. --Brandon Dilbeck 06:29, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

The response from Dan Berger, the TMNT webmaster: "I'm afraid that it's a continuing controversy, as many people hear it one way or the other. We went with "crude" based on a lyric sheet that we had (and because the alliteration seems more musical to us) - but that doesn't mean that it's absolutely the correct answer, as many things get changed when they're being recorded... so I'm afraid that we don't have the definitive answer - but as far as we're concerned, it's "crude". Thanks for writing!" --Brandon Dilbeck 23:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

This article mentions the soundtrack, but gives no specific mention to the theme song, who wrote it, who performed it, how long it is, when it was written, or anything else. If anybody knows this information, please add it. Allixpeeke 22:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Just wanted to remind readers that this information is still not in the article. If anyone has this information, it is recommended he or she add it. Thanks. Allixpeeke 04:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I keep it real

how does a "pure" rat learn new-jit-zoo? it can't, that fake, but a human can learn. If a human becames a rat, the mutation wont wipe his fighting mine.

Why would a brain (Im not talking about Kraing, im taking about the ootron that became Shredder) want to fight like a ninja, it wouldn't, but a normal human would and a normal human is a better "Shredder".

Why would a rat and 4 turtles just form into humans by touching mutation, they wouldn't. When it cames to mutation, whats makes them human-like, why not cow-like (or something)? But if it was like "touch the mutation and become the animal you last touch" thats more like nature. the turtles could had been any thing and they became human, and a man becomes a rat.

The 1987 turtles are far, far more reallistic than the 2003 turtles.

(Oh, I also put this on the 2003 page, if you make any edits here, remember to update it on that page too)

It's just a cartoon. Just relax. Once, I was watching an episode and watched the Turtles jump three stories high, and I caught myself thinking, "That's totally unrealistic." Then I realized that the whole concept of the show--the mutant turtles--is unrealistic.

Why would a rat learn ninjitsu? Because he was bored in his cage all day.

We haven't found life in outer space, but there are many people who believe that alien life must exist out there. It's pretty egocentric to think otherwise. This does not entirely discredit the idea of an Utrom coming to Earth and becoming Shredder.

Leo, Mike, Don, and Raph didn't turn into humans. They merely became 5 feet tall and able to walk on their legs, among other changes. It's more like a growth formula than anything else. "Touch the mutation and become the animal you last touch" is oddly specific and isn't really anything like nature (what's the last thing you saw turning into whatever the last thing it touched was?).

--Brandon Dilbeck 03:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Not only that, but in the first ep of the 1987 series, Yoshi/Splinter says he turned into a rat because he last touched them... while on the screen, he's holding the turtles AS he begins to mutate!

That's in addition to the premise for the entire property being absolutely ludicrous. Trying to say that the comedy-action, fourth-wall-breaking '87 TMNT is any more or less realistic than the action-based, dimension-hopping '03 TMNT is just insane. They're both unrealistic; they just approach it from different conceptions. Which you prefer is a matter of personal taste, not how realistic it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.154.114 (talk) 17:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Let's answer these, shall we? First, the "rat" has learned ninjistu, which, if broken-down for phonetics, is pronunciation NIN-jist-U. Learn to listen, learn to hear. It helps. Secondly, sign those Wikipedia discussion board statements. Thirdly, what does your questions have to do with the article? I believe a TMNT wiki or Dan Berger over at Mirage's website can be of some help. Mr. Berger is fun to e-mail, as he's just a wealth of TMNT knowledge. Fourthly, Splinter, the rat, in the 1987 series, was a human who became a rat, and was already a black belt master of unknown degree in the Foot Clan in Japan. Shredder was his student and rival, and saw a way to sabotage Splinter's good standing with the high master. You can view this scene in the first episode of Heroes in a Half Shell VHS tape (or its DVD equiv.). Fifthly, Shredder in the 1987 series is a human, so your question is moot here, as it's totally off topic. Sixthly, the way 1987 series' mutagen works is by combining the genetics of one animal to another. In that regard, though not logical (imagine, the TMNT came into contact with insects, bacteria, etc. in the fall to the sewer, and Splinter lived in the friggin' sewer, what if killed a roach earlier in the day), the mutagen worked by allowing the animal that was in most recent contact to mutate to the form of the animal most recently in contact with. The TMNT were in contact with humans at the pet shop, humans on the street, the little human boy who bought them, and Splinter, when he was human. Humans were their dominant "other animal". Splinter was in contact with the rats as his dominant "other animal", and hence, became a rat himself. Now, this explanation is for others who stumble on this discussion, in case they have questions themselves. But the above poster about it being a cartoon is correct. Kick back and enjoy. There's enough "realistic" in living life. Escapism is needed these days. Apple8800 (talk) 19:51, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

New title

Shouldn't the title of this be Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (TV series) instead? After all, it was on for more than one year. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.105.210.117 (talk) 07:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

It's at that title to disambiguate since there is another show with the same name (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003 TV series). It's standard practice to disambiguate by the year the shows started. -Joltman 15:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Rondo: Action movie-hero. Parody of Rambo.

Rondo: Action movie-hero. Parody of Rambo. Do we have a reference for this? Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver And The Vandal Watchman 23:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

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Last two seasons

"The animation became darker and closer to the original comic book style..." Ok, that statment is clearly untrue. As the opening introduction for those two seasons clearly shows that they were trying to imitate the first three movies as tt featured clips from those films. With exception of their belts, knee, and elbow pads, the turtles were redesigned to resemble their movie counterparts. Sarujo (talk) 23:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

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To the moron who claims to "own" the copyright on this image, I think Mirage and Viacom may have a few words for you. Namely, they, along with Fred Wolf, OWN the TRADEMARK to the image's contents. Not you. Unless you were contracted by Fred Wolf and Mirage in 1985, when pre-production was started, you don't own anything. Also, a logo can't be copyrighted in the United States, only trademarks are given. You may have made the image, but you should've better protected yourself if don't want it being used. You need to understand that, by claiming ownership, you just made yourself liable to a lawsuit on trademark infringement and misrepresentation grounds, "damaging" the logo that is currently owned by Viacom. Beware of the can of worms you just opened on yourself if a lawyer for Viacom reads this posting. Apple8800 (talk) 19:58, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Japanese Studios / Other Studios

Does someone know exactly which studio did which episodes? On the opening paragraph it mentions "Shogakukan" but according to the credits of the initial mini-series (Turtle Tracks, Enter the Shredder, etc.) the animation was done by Toei. JoeD80 (talk) 18:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

As a followup to the message I posted above, I'm busy re-watching the series and I see that the entire second season (Return of the Shredder -> Return of the Technodrome) was animated by a Korean company called A1 Productions. Maybe we should have a list somewhere that says who animated which episodes? JoeD80 (talk) 22:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, Also the pages for TMS Entertainmet and Wang Films also have an animation credit for the series. Philipnova798 (talk) 23:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Wasn't some of it produced by Fred Wolf Films Dublin (or whatever it was called at the time) after 1989? Look at this guy's portfolio for example: http://ie.linkedin.com/pub/gary-blatchford/a/a39/216 --Zilog Jones (talk) 15:57, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Question

Can somebody tell me something about this - 22:15 (First-run syndication) 23:30 (CBS Kids)? Does this mean that TMNT aired so late in the evening, but not in the mornings? --Batman tas (talk) 18:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Those times seem like either Zulu time airings (meaning a universal time standard that's used around the world over the local time zones) or it's the run lengths of the episodes. It would be likely that, back in the late 1980s, a runtime of 22m 15s is likely, as today, syndicated shows clock in at around 15m to 18m today. Network shows, which clock in at 21m 30s today, were also longer back in the 1980s. Apple8800 (talk) 20:01, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Nickelodeon

"Following Nickelodeon's purchase of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the company has announced its hopes to gain the rights for the 1987 series." Is this from the actual press release articles over the buyout? 147.97.243.205 (talk) 01:44, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

• coughs* 147.97.241.230 (talk) 18:36, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Different voices for Leonardo and Krang?

Any reason for why Leonardo and Krang's voices were redubbed (in English) by different actors in certain countries? -TheHande (talk) 07:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Problems

As being a big expert on this show (not to brag) I have found many problems with this page, such as voice problems and wrong years, because seriously, the last season was in 1996, not '99. And Donatello's voice was only replaced in 1989, if you don't count the European Sideseason which counts as 1990 by production order. So I'm just fixing up most of the problems I have found on this, if you don't mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.18.61.61 (talk) 14:00, 17 June 2011 (UTC) I have also just fixed up some DVD Region 1 problems, for example, gave Season 6 and 7 their right DVD dates, and Season 8 it's own. As well as updating news because Season 9, not out of the ordinary is coming out August 16, 2011, I even added an external link for proof. I also deleted the sentance, "This is apparently due to Lionsgate having problems with locating the missing master tapes of the series in order to release the remaining few seasons", because that isn't the case, from the TvshowsOnDvd website, "Many of you asked "why the long wait between releases?", and while we don't have any official studio answer for you, the obvious thing to point out is that 2012 sees a new animated TV series hitting the tube, and a Michael-Bay-produced reboot film in theaters. So it will probably be beneficial to get the complete original series on DVD in time to tie-in all ten seasons with the marketing efforts of those new productions!"

Taken from: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Season-9/15442#ixzz1PXkJvtiR So that's why I deleted that sentance and added no new ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.18.61.61 (talk) 14:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Have at it. Just make sure any additions are sourced. Haven't actually done mug with this page, it just kinda wound up on my watchlist along with a bunch I'd other TMNT pages, so any efforts at improving it are appreciated. oknazevad (talk) 14:46, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I just realized, part of the reasons that this article had so many problems is that it was once again vandalized by the same childish asshat that keeps intentionally inserting incorrect information. I reverted to the last version from before his vandalism. Unfortunately that means that some of your good edits go steamrolled as well (couldn't do anything about that). So if you'd like to put back in the good info, go right ahead. I've already reported the vandal, who's actually already blocked on another IP, so he should be gone quick. oknazevad (talk) 15:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Good to know, :D. Anyway, thanks for putting everything back to normal, because I'm not familar with Wikipedia editing so.. yeah, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.18.23.219 (talk) 14:32, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I.P Vandalism

That I.P that had kept vandalising this page and lots of others and kept getting banned has gone too far. Whenever his ban would end he would go back to vandalising. If possible, I think the I.P should be banned forever from editing on this site. Anyone agree? --Batman85015 (talk) 13:47, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Agree, he's a jerk. But permanent banning an IP address is a problem, as they're often dynamic, meaning someone else, who's not a vandal, gets blocked for doing nothing wrong, or it's a public computer like a library or school, which also creates innocent victims. So all we can do is report the IP to the proper noticeboard, and revert him on sight. oknazevad (talk) 19:12, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 April 2012

Under the "Reruns" section it claims Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles does not currently air in North America. As of April 2012 the show now airs on Teletoon Retro in Canada Saturdays and Sundays. Teletoon Retro is a category 2(under CRTC regulations) channel with carriage on most Canadian digital cable and satelite companies. www.teletoonretro.ca

99.236.181.156 (talk) 06:23, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

 Not done Source is not reliable. Pol430 talk to me 22:30, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Mutation vs Metamorphosization

• Hi InternetMeme. I'm opening a dialogue about our difference of opinions regarding the use of "mutation" vs "metamorphosization". In the description for Splinter, for example, while it is not inaccurate to describe him as a "metamorphic rat", it is ambiguous as to whether or not that means he can change his shape at will, or if this was a one-time process. "Mutant rat" is also not inaccurate, and I think it paints a clearer picture of the character to use the nomenclature established in the franchise. My same argument applies to the descriptions of Bebop and Rocksteady. I would also argue that the sentence: "The turtles also suffered from severe metamorphosizations that would turn them into big hulks and lose their intelligence temporarily." Could be changed to: "The Turtles also suffered from subsequent mutations that would temporarily metamorphosize them into hulks with diminished intelligence." However, I find the words "metamorphosize" and "metamorphosizations" are excessively unwieldy for an article about a children's cartoon. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:06, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

The problem with that is that you're describing the article from an in-universe context. In that universe "mutate" means "transform", whereas in reality (from which perspective we're aiming to describe this TV show) "mutate" means something entirely separate and different.

However, I agree that "metamorphic" implies that they can change their shape at will. I'll find a better word. As a last resort, the word "transform" would suffice, but I'd prefer something more specific.

InternetMeme (talk) 12:30, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not fully sure I understand your point, but I do want to try. Linguistically, mutation is a valid synonym for metamorphosis, which is also a synonym for transformation, as all three words describe change. Are you objecting to the use of "mutation" because the characters' ooze-induced changes aren't accurate to the biological definition of mutation? I also wonder why should avoid describing the mythology of the show with terminology used in-universe. Avatar:Airbender characters are described as Waterbenders or Firebenders. Wolverine is described as a mutant, etc.

We could always explain the concept of mutation, (i.e., that exposure to ooze/mutagen causes drastic physical metamorphosis,) somewhere in the introductory text, that the reader would then know what "mutation" means for the rest of the article. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:15, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you seem to have indeed stumbled across the point there. In a biological context, the word "mutate" means to gradually change over successive generations.

In regards to Airbender, I don't believe the words "Waterbender" or "Firebender" are used in a way that differs from the normal meaning of those words (if indeed there is one), so that comparison is not relevant. The "Wolverine" article suffers from the same problem as this article:

It is partially written from an in-universe perspective, which goes agains the style recommendations for Wikipedia.

At any rate, how about this for a compromise: We use the term "mutate" in quotation marks, indicating that it is a quote from the show, and not an accurate biological usage of the word? At any rate, the reason it is a problem is that many people uneducated in biology read articles like this, and are lead to believe that the process of mutation (and hence evolution) is based on this, and will consequently be lead to misunderstand the basis of a large part of science.

InternetMeme (talk) 12:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I understand the core of your argument now. Thank you for the link on the in-universe perspective, and thank you for your level-headed patience. I still find it supremely counter-intuitive that contributors should use scientifically accurate nomenclature to describe the world of the Turtles, so as to eliminate a confusion with other readers who might potentially not understand the difference between scientific mutation and fictional mutation. Fictional mutation has been a part of our cultural mythology for the better half of a century. And as I've already argued, the word "mutate" is a perfectly legal, dictionary-backed word that describes change, and has described change from 14th century Latin, and which was co-opted by elitist scientists. (I ain't no Latin scholar -- I cheated and looked it up. :) And I'm obviously kidding about elitist scientists.)

Thus, it still seems far easier, and more in step with similar articles on fiction, to clearly explain the in-universe nomenclature of mutation in the intro text, maybe add a link to an article on *real* mutation, and then use the show parlance to describe the characters. But, having read the in-universe perspective explanation, I realize that I may be quite wrong, and I might be making a flimsy emotional argument.

Since I don't have consensus, and since I think you've argued quite well in favor of your changes, I won't stand in the way of your edits. If you think using quotes around the variants of "mutate" is a suitable compromise, I'm fine with that until the consensus shifts.  :) And if you want to go the other way and re-assert your earlier changes, I won't interfere. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:07, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi there. Thanks for your consideration : ) I like the idea of using quotation marks around the word "mutate" as a good solution to the current potential for miseducating readers, in addition to accurately designating the usage of the word as a quote from the story rather than an accurate usage. Plus that will not interfere with the overall wording of the article. How do you feel about that? Would that be your preferred solution too?

Also, although I fully agree that in general, the word "mutate" does refer to any kind of change, I do also think that within the context of biology, the meaning is pretty much restricted to long-term cumulative genetic alteration, and therefore would cause confusion to less educated readers here (i' e', one day when a biology teacher mentions to them that mutations are the cause of the wide array of different lifeforms we see, they will discount the idea as fantastically implausible).

InternetMeme (talk) 11:50, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Censorship - Denmark

I am Danish and watched the show on Danish television in the mid 90s and even have some old video recordings, and they we're all with the original voices and with the "ninja" intro and name, and not hero. I think the text should be edited to include that other danish Tv stations than TV2 did¨'t use the UK censored version. I also clearly remember that the danish dubbed version had the "ninja" intro as well, and a quick search on youtube also confirms this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eClVIBPQvXA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.82.157.211 (talk) 06:50, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

DVD releases

I would like to know what countries the DVDs have been released in. I live in Region 2, but the DVDs haven't been released in my country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omitti86 (talk • contribs) 02:06, 10 March 2014 (UTC) Omitti86 (talk) 02:12, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

They were released in the Uk and Ireland. Tails3333 (talk) 22:24, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

VHS and laserdisc releases should be added too. Worldcat can be used as a source. Maybe we can start an own home video page, like we already have with the 2003 TMNT cartoon. J 1982 (talk) 12:00, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Dubbing

Which languages the whole series has been dubbed in? Omitti86 (talk) 20:42, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Most Western European languages, I suggest. J 1982 (talk) 15:52, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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Animation Studios Guide?

There's no cleavage on animation studios on this cartoon so what we know:

Season 1 - Toei Animation, Studio Cockpit

Season 2 - A-1 Productions, Seo Kwang

Some of Season 3 and all 15 syndicated episodes of Season 4 - Fred Wolf Films Dublin

Vacation in Europe side-season - IDDH

Season 7 - Dai Won

Season 8 - Dai Won

Season 9 - Shanghai Morning Sun, Sichuan Top Animation

Season 10 - Dai Won

So, who did seasons 3-6. Some articles say that South Korea and Philippines did animate most episodes of this cartoon but they don't say which studio is. 94.180.44.54 (talk) 14:52, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

When the Ninja Turtles first aired

1987 is a incorrect time for the first airing of the teenage mutant Ninja turtles. It was more like 1982 at the latest 83 because I was still in high school which had greater graduated in 1984 and it used to follow Benny Hill in Southern California probably around 1:00 in the morning I don't believe it was the series starting of the series I think they were just airing it to see to fill out what the public wanted but that was the first airing either 82 or 1983 please check in on that 2600:1700:7B82:EA20:2105:75C7:A81E:5488 (talk) 22:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

You're completely incorrect. The characters werent even created and introduced in comics until 1984. The 1987 date for the first animated series is well established and well sourced in the article. oknazevad (talk) 23:24, 27 November 2021 (UTC)