Talk:Tel Aviv–Jerusalem railway

Materials

External links and articles that I don't have time to go over but might be relevant:

• http://globes.co.il/serveen/globes/DocView.asp?did=1000502560
• http://www.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il/~udi/personal/rakevet/linked_files/tvay2500.pdf
• http://port2port.co.il/Index.asp?ArticleID=67495&CategoryID=46&Year=2010&Month=1&Page=1
• http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3939140,00.html
• http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3964584,00.html
• http://port2port.co.il/Index.asp?ArticleID=69104&CategoryID=46&Year=2010&Month=10&Page=1
• http://www.themarker.com/tmc/article.jhtml?ElementId=zz20101027_5223696
• http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/220978
• http://he.mot.gov.il/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1911:tel-aviv-jerusalem-30m&catid=108:pub-memshal-c&Itemid=153
• http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000818921&fid=1725
• http://www.themarker.com/dynamo/cars/1.2096857
• http://www.calcalist.co.il/local/articles/0,7340,L-3610130,00.html

Route

Neither the Planning section nor the map of proposed routes clearly indicate the actual route. The Construction section provides slightly better clues about the route, but it is still far from clear. M Carling 10:17, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I think the easiest way to make such a map today would be to use OpenStreetMap. You just need to highlight the route and maybe add city names in large letters. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 11:45, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't have the graphics skills for that. It seems like the route shown as A1 on the map might be the actual route. Is it? M Carling 07:26, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, A1 is the approved route. It was changed very slightly in the Mevasseret area. Details are in the article. I agree that it could help to also make a map in context, but I am pretty busy at the moment. You could ask Atefrat, he made dozens of similar maps for roads. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 09:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I fixed the caption under the map. That should reduce confusion somewhat. M Carling 09:25, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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This is not HSR

A top speed of 160 km/h may be faster than what currently exists, but it is by no means high speed rail. Maybe the title should be changed... Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:08, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

I second that. It falls short of UIC's definition for HSR (http://uic.org/highspeed#General-definitions-of-highspeed). Now a new task would be find a new, more appropriate name.--Prandr (talk) 13:03, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

While I might not be able to offer a solution, I can provide some feedback as to the 'High Speed' in the name... It derives from how the line is named in Hebrew (הקו המהיר לירושלים, lit. 'the fast line to Jerusalem'). It is named so to distinguish it from the still-operative Tel Aviv-Jerusalem railway which uses an alignment dating back to the 19th century and which is much slower than the new line. Perhaps the article should be named Fast railway to Jerusalem or New railway to Jerusalem or something of the like.

Also, while the design speed is 160km/h, the actual basic infrastructure could actually support much higher speeds with upgrades, it's just that with only a half hour or so total travel time, doing so is not very cost effective and it will likely stay at 160km/h for the foreseeable future. --Wikiliki (talk) 19:43, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Note: When this article was written it was advertised that trains would travel at a maximum speed of 200 km/h, which would just barely make it a high-speed line. Eventually this was shown to be false, but I don't really have a better name for it. Suggestions are welcome. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 22:58, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

So generic terms like "Fast Line" or "New Line" (with railway instead of line as another option) are all fine, correct? Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:31, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

New line is a relative term. In a few years after commissioning it won't be "new". Also which one "line to Jerusalem"? From Haifa or Eilat? Or perhaps from New York? Additionally, "to" suggests you could travel only in one direction.
The naming custom for the railways lines is to give both ends in the designation. So my suggestion is simply Tel Aviv–Jerusalem Railway.--Prandr (talk) 09:06, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

I guess they are. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:10, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

So how should we proceed? Hobbitschuster (talk) 13:54, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

I don't feel strongly about the name, feel free to move the article to the name you think is most suitable. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 09:12, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Even then it wouldn't meet the definition: 200 km/h threshold is for old upgraded railway, which for example are plentiful in Germany (like Hamburg–Berlin).--Prandr (talk) 09:06, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

The page has been moved. The rest of the article has to be edited accordingly.--Prandr (talk) 21:19, 20 July 2016 (UTC)