Talk:Telexfree/Archives/2014
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Mothering this article
From observation the core of editors who created the article appears to be mothering it. Of course it can be improved. All articles can be improved. But please may I make a plea to allow it go go out to play on its own, at least for a good while. It no longer needs to be wrapped in warm towels, nor have its grazed knees bandaged with such care. Instead, consider that you have all fathered it, not mothered it, and act as a dad, not a mum. Be proud of it, and send it out into the world, and watch it grow and develop.
You have all done, are all doing, a great job, but the satisfaction from standing back and watching someone else improve it is immense. Fiddle Faddle 18:22, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
ស្សមានថអវ្្រ្ក — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.109.112.113 (talk) 17:59, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
telexfree is not a ponzi scheme
telexfree is a multinivel enterprise , the article is bad. please correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by Segago (talk • contribs) 02:59, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- "Ponzi scheme" sources: [1], [2], [3], [4]. --NeilN talk to me 03:49, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
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Please remove under industry type: ponzi scheme
There is no proof that this business is a ponzi scheme.
Ammondx (talk) 02:45, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Not done There seems to be ample sources describing it as such. --NeilN talk to me 03:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
I totally agree. The company has being accused of operating a Ponzi scheme, which is yet to be proven by any court of law, therefore 'Ponzi Scheme' should not appear as industry type on the right hand side of the page. Telexfree is legally registered and operating as Multilevel Marketing company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 007Star (talk • contribs) 14:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
all your sources said : "indícios,investigation,possible,speculation,maybe. telexfree is working with ponzi scheme" but never said that is true confirmed with evidence, is just popular poor news...
all your sources said : "indícios,investigation,possible,speculation,maybe. telexfree is working with ponzi scheme" but never said that is true confirmed with evidence, is just popular poor news... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Segago (talk • contribs) 18:12, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- This is not the "news" opinion, the Ponzi Scheme statment is the opinion of the Finance Ministry, which didn't "suspect", but rather "accused" it of being Ponzi Scheme, as shown in the sources. The article clearly states the current status of the investigation, and the description box list BOTH "Ponzi" and "MMN", which reflects the Neutral view that both alternatives are being considered at the current date.--Frontiersanders (talk) 18:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Two Minor Quibbles
1) I agree with the complainers... it should say ALLEGED ponzi scheme, operation frozen by emergency order from Brazilian court.
- Comment: The same argument may be used for stating it as Multilevel Martketing. It is not "proven" to be MLM, so it would have to be "ALLEGED" MLM. So the box with BOTH "Ponzi scheme" AND "Multilevel Marketing" is the best way of describing it.--Frontiersanders (talk) 18:27, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
2) There's no proven link between FoneClub and TelexFree except they both involve Sann Rodrigues. To say TelexFree is derived from FoneClub is beyond what's supportable by evidence. You can say though, that TelexFree bears an uncanny resemblance to FoneClub, which was started by the TelexFree top promoter Sann Rodrigues.
3) Is there any link between Sann Rodrigues and DiskAvontade, the predecessor of TelexFree / Common Cents? I mean, the phone cards sold by FoneClub had to come from somewhere, right?
the Brazilian court order frozen operation by emergency of Ympactus and not telexfree
the Brazilian court order frozen operation by emergency of Ympactus and not telexfree. and neither can proof nothing about ponzi scheme.Segago (talk) 06:37, 18 February 2014 (UTC)sega
- "Telexfree has its worldwide operations, excluding Brazil, operated by Telexfree LLC[1][2] Brazilian operations are held by Ympactus Comercial Ltda.[5]" --NeilN talk to me 06:48, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
- NeilN is right. Ympactus was the OFICIAL representation for Telexfree in Brazil at the time of Court suspension (as you can check in ANY of the sources in the article) and "TELEXFREE" is STILL the CURRENT brand name for Ympactus: If you check Brazilian's CNPJ Oficial website (http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/pessoajuridica/cnpj/cnpjreva/cnpjreva_solicitacao.asp), type Ympactus CNPJ: 11669325000188, and one can see that "TELEXFREE INC" is STILL the brand name for Ympactus. The article is accurate.--Frontiersanders (talk) 18:23, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
the case in brazil still open Segago (talk) 19:23, 20 February 2014 (UTC)sega
Removed text
From Telexfree Brazillian Operations: this article is not about Nehra per WP:COATRACK:
Nehra is the former Amway Legal Director and today has its own law office, named MLM Law, specialized in Ponzi and Pyramid Schemes. He became famous after representing companies which were accused of operating Ponzi Schemes - Ad Surf Daily,[1] and Universo FoneClub[2] as well as representing the church minister Charles R. Groeschel[3][4] accused by SEC to conduct a Pyramid Scheme in his temple.[5]
References
- ^ "Ad Surf Daily - The Tech Beat (EN)". Bloomberg Businessweek. Retrieved Dec 7th, 2013.
{{cite web}}: Check date values in:|accessdate=(help) - ^ "Universo Fhoneclub Owner, Sann Rodrigues, defends himself and says he is respecting the law (PT)". Achei USA Brazilian Newspaper. Retrieved Dec 7th, 2013.
{{cite web}}: Check date values in:|accessdate=(help)[non-primary source needed] - ^ "Securities and Exchange Commission vs. Association of Individual Ministries, Charles R. Groeschel and Sage Computer Services(EN)". SEC. Retrieved Dec 7th, 2013.
{{cite web}}: Check date values in:|accessdate=(help) - ^ "Pastor Chuck's Bully Pulpit; SEC Challenges a New Road to Material Salvation (EN)". The New York Times. Retrieved Dec 7th, 2013.
{{cite web}}: Check date values in:|accessdate=(help) - ^ "Telexfree hires in USA the best lawyer in Pyramid Schemes (PT)". IG News Portal Brazil. Retrieved March 28, 2013.
Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 19:19, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
- Uh, Where did the Acheiusa.com source stated that Nehra is involved? Kschang77 (talk) 05:58, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Where's the Link of Nehra to Universo FoneClub?
The article linked as reference has NOTHING about Universo FoneClub. It did mention AdSurf Daily and Zeek Rewards. Kschang77 (talk) 05:53, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
I found one but this one's accuracy is in doubt. Someone find the ORIGINAL article. http://roubosonline.blogspot.com/2009/08/golpe-da-piramide-cvoip-leva-15-pessoas.html Kschang77 (talk) 06:08, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
And here's one more:
Assim gostariamos de salientar que nosso grupo empresarial tem sua sede nos Estados Unidos e que todas as nossas ações são aprovadas por nosso departamento legal o qual é dirigido pelo Dr Gerard Nehra, uma das maiores autoridades sobre Multi Level Marketing nos Estados Unidos. Nosso departamento jurídico no Brasil, dirigido pelo Dr Rogério Guasti, Advogado e professor Federal de Direito do Consumidor está tomando todas as medidas necessárias para o bom andamento de nossas atividades. Garantindo a todos os nossos associados e representantes o pleno direito de exercer suas atividades de vendas diretas de forma tranqüila e profissional. Atenciosamente, Departamento Jurídico MIX Phone Club do Brasil
http://industriadadecepcao.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/mix-phoneclub-e-a-casa-caiu/
Kschang77 (talk) 06:13, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
- On this link of the Law suit of Universo Phoneclub one can see Nehra's name:
http://www.legalmetric.com/cases/securities/mad/mad_106cv10940.html Frontiersanders (talk) 16:54, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
- In this Video, Sann Rodrigues himself says Gerald Nehra was his laywer in 2006: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4Lq2muv_w#t=1m23s --Frontiersanders (talk) 11:06, 17 April 2014 (UTC)