Talk:Tell Abyad offensive

Merger

LightandDark2000 KajMetz Shouldn't we merge this article and Al-Hasakah offensive (May 2015) into one unified article since this campaign, per the Kurds, is a continuation (2nd phase) of their Operation Commander Rûbar Qamishlo? Looking at what the Kurds are saying, the Al-Hasakah offensive (May 2015) article covers only the first phase of that operation. EkoGraf (talk) 00:34, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

That's true, but the fact is that this particular campaign also includes the merging (or ending) of the Kobanî offensive, which in itself is a separate offensive altogether. I actually did consider this fact before renaming (and initially, planning to create) this article, but since the Tell Abyad offensive was planned at least 4 months before the beginning of the May 2015 Al-Hasakah offensive (per Kurdish sources), and since this campaign involves the merging of two distinct offensives, I believe that the articles are best kept separate. However, we probably need to integrate more information from the other article into this one. LightandDark2000 (talk) 04:55, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll include the Phase Two info after I finish working with a couple of other articles. LightandDark2000 (talk) 04:57, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

LightandDark2000 That the offensive was planed months before does not mean anything and per Kurdish sources these are not two distinct offensives but one offensive/operation with two phases. The 1st phase being the capture of the Tell Tamer countryside and phase 2 starting with the battle for the Ras al-Ayn countryside and continuing into the Tell Abyad countryside (all per the Kurdish sources). As for Kobani, we already discussed that, the Kobani offensive ended more than three months ago. Everybody agreed about that. EkoGraf (talk) 10:40, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

What, so you want to merge it all into a single Northern Syria offensive (2015) article? I think that it kind of depends on what we want to emphasize in the article(s). I mean, if you want one article for the entire offensive, it may work out, but it will take some time to merge all of the information (and to make sure everything makes it across). I could take a shot at that, although I prefer that we not merge the articles until everything settles down in the region. (PS, an offensive collage map won't be too difficult for me to make. I just have to get the Khabur Valley offensive map done.) LightandDark2000 (talk) 22:15, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

LightandDark2000 That's what I was thinking. EkoGraf (talk) 00:38, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Maybe towards this weekend. There's quite a bit of info I want to add to this article, first off (and the map pics). And then, we have to begin synchronizing the information between the two articles. I was thinking of pooling the content from both articles into a text document, or substantially adding more weight into one article, before pulling off a merger from there. Either way, there's work to be done before the articles can actually be merged. LightandDark2000 (talk) 03:59, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh. There's another problem. There's going to be repeat-sourcing if the articles are merged. At least one of the sources has been cited separately (adn thus have two separate date accessed and date published ref entries), so the reference data is going to have to be reset to the earliest date of publication and retrieval. LightandDark2000 (talk) 04:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

LightandDark2000 Hmmmm how about this....don't merge, leave separate articles, but create a parent article for these two that will be about the general operation where it will be summarized and from where we will link to these two distinct periods of the operation. EkoGraf (talk) 23:43, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

We could. Or, we could merge both articles (with half of the article for each part of the operation), but it could be quite complex. Or, we could create a new article for the entire offensive operation as a whole, like you said. I really don't know. I mean, it really depends on whether or not we want one article for the entire offensive or separate articles for each focus/region. Thoughts? LightandDark2000 (talk) 17:36, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm beginning to favor the new Northern Syria offensive (2015) idea. The Kurds are probably going to try to capture all of the ISIL-held territory down south to the Tishrin Dam, and having a separate article allows us to elaborate more on each of the major phases on the offensive in separate articles, while not getting too cluttered in the main offensive article, and being able to include the other areas of operation freely. LightandDark2000 (talk) 02:00, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

LightandDark2000I personally thought that the two offensives were separate and good as separate articles, until I saw the rebels are still calling whats happening at Tell Abyad under the same operational name as the operation that started at Tell Tamer. So, you choose, one new parent article for the general offensive that links to these two, or merge both into one. EkoGraf (talk) 12:15, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

LightandDark2000 Sorry, not rebels, meant Kurds. :P EkoGraf (talk) 02:31, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Let's make a new parent article (with plently of links connecting all 3 articles). The overall Kurdish-led operation is nowhere near its end just yet, and they may expand beyond the general areas of focus mentioned in the present articles. This also gives me another idea. Should the Kurds expand this offensive into the northern Aleppo Governorate, or advance much deeper into the Ar-Raqqah Governorate, we could create new articles for each major phase (or region) of the offensive, with all of them being linked back to a parent Northern Syria offensive (2015) article. LightandDark2000 (talk) 02:16, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I think that we have a go for Northern Syria offensive (2015) to be created. After that, we just need to link the appropriate articles. LightandDark2000 (talk) 17:14, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Renamed to reflect operation has ended Tell_Abyad_offensive_(May-June 2015)

WP:BOLD, renamed. similar offensives with end date:

• Qalamoun offensive (June–August 2014)
• Qalamoun offensive (May–June 2015)
• Rif Dimashq offensive (March–August 2013)
• Rif Dimashq offensive (August–October 2012)

G8j!qKb (talk) 20:29, 15 July 2015 (UTC)