Talk:Temple Memorial Park

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:56, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

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Plaque on the edge of the park with details of the inauguration

• ... that Temple Memorial Park was given to the people of South Shields in 1961 and was named after the Archbishop of Canterbury, William Temple? Source: https://www.southtyneside.gov.uk/article/34424/Temple-Memorial-Park-Public-Open-Space

Created by Smeggle (talk). Self-nominated at 19:47, 11 May 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed:
• Used in article: - No
• Clear at 100px: - The text is unreadable at 100px

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Except for the image (which I would suggest simply not using), this seems good to go. RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 14:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing, i'm happy for the image to be removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smeggle (talk • contribs)

As suggested. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:37, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, @RandomCanadian:, thanks for reviewing. Please be aware that reviewers cannot promote the articles they approve to the prep sets. Since you didn't close this template, I'll just leave it here until another prep builder comes along. Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, but the hook reads like a news fact. It would be more interesting to describe it in brief, like " ... that Temple Memorial Park, named after the Archbishop of Canterbury, ... ", and then add a hooky fact, like the part about the mountain bikes. Yoninah (talk) 20:57, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

The nom didn't suggest an ALT. I don't think that "... has a route, often called the BMX track, created specifically for mountain bikes" sounds less news-facty; but of course if you disagree feel free to change it. @Smeggle: Courtesy ping for your opinion on this. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:04, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

• @RandomCanadian: Please see WP:DYK#Content: When you write the hook, please make it "hooky", that is, short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article — as long as they don't misstate the article content. Our job as reviewers is make sure the hook is "hooky" in addition to meeting all the other criteria. Yoninah (talk) 21:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

As I said, I find both suggestions more or less equally hooky, if you disagree, feel free to change it, I'm neutral on the matter. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:17, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

• You're right, there's nothing hooky in the article. Not every nomination can pass. There's also a "citation needed" tag in there. Yoninah (talk) 21:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Alternative suggestion:

• ALT1: ... that Temple Memorial Park, named after the Archbishop of Canterbury William Temple, was given to the people of South Shields in recognition of the part they played in World War II?

Given that "hooky" is a completely subjective concept (and not even a real word) it does not seem fair to reject a nomination based on lack of hookiness, whatever that even means. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:14, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, as I said, I do not find a problem with this hook, so as far as I'm concerned it's approved but if you have suggestions such as that one feel free to improve upon it. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:19, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you, ALT1 is better. I added an inline cite and a little more info from the source, so now we have:
• ALT1a: ... that Temple Memorial Park, named after the Archbishop of Canterbury William Temple, was given to the people of South Shields in recognition of their military contributions at sea in World War II? Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Well now that's properly hooky... Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:33, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I just shortened it to under 200 char. Could you approve it? Yoninah (talk) 20:34, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, if my wording was not explicit enough, pro forma: Approved ALT1a. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:37, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! We're a rules-oriented bunch here at DYK, you know. Yoninah (talk) 21:09, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Citation needed

@Paul W: The only reliable sources I have for these buildings being demolished is their disappearance from old maps. I will try and find a way to cite these. There is also this planning report for the local authority which goes into quite some detail, but not sure how reliable that would be considered. As for the church burning down, that is local knowledge and I have as yet not found a reliable source for, so this may need to come out! Thanks for your attention to the article — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:24, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

I would regard that planning report as a reliable source. I have certainly used similar documents in articles about other places. Paul W (talk) 12:54, 22 May 2020 (UTC)