Talk:Tenpō Tsūhō

Tenpō Tsūhō needs images in the box.

@Donald Trung: please add images to the template. --58.187.168.230 (talk) 05:26, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Tenpou Tsuuhou 50 mon coin. 💴 (+ "200 mon".)

There is an image circulating around of an alleged 50 mon Tenpou Tsuuhou coin, the source is this list. (through eBay) If anyone wishes to add the denominations of “50 mon”, and “200 mon” then please don’t use this as your reference, I'm placing this message here in the talk page in case anyone in the future would like to add this misinformation into this article. See this discussion where the existence of this fantasy coin is debunked.

Sent from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱.

I hope 🤞🏻 that this message will prevent the future spread of this misinformation on this article, if you do find a reliable source then please cite it...

--1.55.181.2 (talk) 16:00, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Gotō Shozaburo Mitsutsugu Vs. Hashimoto Mitsuji Vs. Gotō San'emon

I am writing this here to establish why the designer states Gotō San'emon despite no English language source anywhere on the internet (as of July 19, 2017) confirming this.

The originator of the Kaō seems to a very controversial issue in English-speaking sources, for example the claim has often been “the Gotō family 👪🏻”, but it’s never specified which member. I used this Tomb Raider website/fansite for “the skeleton ☠” of the article, and the author (Kelly M.) claims that this is in fact “the stylized signature (or kaō) of Gotō Shozaburo Mitsutsugu” (who has been dead 💀 for centuries when the coin was first minted), to this end however she lists several sources, one (1) of which talks in detail about the Gotō family 👪🏻 history, and their work 🏢 at the Kinza, and later I did use that source to establish the WP:NOTABILITY of the Gotō family 👪🏻, who they were, and what they meant for the production of Tokugawa coinage, however another source she lists completely contradicts her claim. Heinz Gratzer & Vladimir Balyaev n Charm.ru (“Chinese Coinage Website”) claims that the Kaō is the “Composed signature of mintmaster Hashimoto Mitsuji”. Now a simple Microsoft Bing search 🔍 turns up only U.S. Americans, specifying the search 🔍 results literally only turns up this source (so it's essentially self-referential), however there is one Castilian language claim that also lists “Hashimoto Mitsuji” but they also use the Chinese Coinage Website for reference. Now I couldn't find any English language source anywhere online that clearly stated who the Kaō belongs to, at the time I was in a long “edit war” with myself both in this article, and Japanese mon (currency). I simply couldn't remove it as a reference already named Hashimoto Mitsuji and using Microsoft Bing search 🔍 results would wholly fall under WP:OR so I had to investigate further as no English language source seems to be able to confirm the author of the Kaō.

However the Japanese version of this article though they would claim that the Kaō belongs to“the Gotō Family 👪🏻” in the WP:LEAD, then later in the text name Gotō San'emon, other Japanese sources seem to all agree 🤝🏻 on this. So unless someone could find a more reliable source for it in English please refer to the Japanese language source.

Sent from my Microsoft Lumia 950 XL with Microsoft Windows 10 Mobile 📱. --58.187.171.100 (talk) 10:46, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Note that "Hashimoto Mitsuji" isn't even a member of the Gotou family. --Donald Trung (talk) 10:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)