Talk:Tenth of Tevet
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editThe History section mentions Zec 8:19, but that verse says that this fast should henceforth be celebrated as a feast. So, someone who knows (not me) should edit the Observance section to address why it is still observed as a fast.Jonathan48 (talk) 04:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
The dates given (e.g. 427 BCE) for the underlying events are seriously at odds with accepted dates. According to the linked page on Nebuchadnezzar II, the accepted date is 587 BC for the conquest of Jerusalem. I have also often seen 586 BC, but never a date such as the author provides. 75.18.125.51 (talk) 00:56, 1 January 2012 (UTC)Dwight Freund (freund@csus.edu)
And now I notice that the author says the siege started in 425 BCE and ended in 427 BCE; this requires a Time Machine! 75.18.125.51 (talk) 00:59, 1 January 2012 (UTC)Dwight Freund
Annual - NOT Biannual
editI don't know where someone got the idea the Asara b'Tevet is observed biannually. It is, in fact, observed EVERY YEAR.
But like ALL Jewish holidays, holy days and fasts, it is observed according to the Hebrew calendar year NOT the Gregorian calendar year. Because the Hebrew calendar is lunar while the Gregorian is solar, each year on one of the calendars correlates to a different set of dates on the other.
The month of Tevet can start as early as 4 December or as late as 1 January. Thus:
10 Tevet 5776 = 22 December 2015 10 Tevet 5777 = 8 January 2017 10 Tevet 5778 = 28 December 2017 - observe two observances in same Gregorian year but different Hebrew years 10 Tevet 5779 = 18 December 2018 10 Tevet 5780 = 7 January 2020 10 Tevet 5781 = 25 December 2020 - again, two observances in same Gregorian year but different Hebrew years
So, this holiday is observed EVERY year, NOT every two years! 2601:645:C300:42D0:852:6F1:343E:1E41 (talk) 15:00, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
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Years where the Tenth of Tevet occurs twice
editCan you add a little bit of info on years where the Tenth of Tevet occurs twice? Please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:5D47:F779:9994:AB21:700C:FD30 (talk) 00:30, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- I'm willing to add a footnote from the infobox. That's as much as is appropriate. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:10, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
History
editAn IP has proposed adding the following text to the "Eighth of Tevet" paragraph:
- However the Chakhamim were tested: despite being distant from each other, the entire Torah was translated by divine revelation in the same way by all of them.[1] Moreover, for example, even today the Tefillah (or "Jewish prayer") can be recited in any language one knows and is normally used to ("Rambam[2] and Ramban - Halakhah").
- Discussion
- I personally don't understand what this text means or what it adds to the existing discussion.
Yoninah (talk) 18:30, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
References
- ^ Miracle with the translations of Torah into Greek (www.chabad.org)
- ^ Meqor Chajim I - II Compendio dello "Shulchan 'Arukh" Or Chadash, Kefar Chasidim/Rekhasim Israel et Milano, Italia 1992
Hanukkah and Tenth of Tevet
edit"The fast day is not related to Hanukkah but happens to follow that festival by a week."
Unless one could extend the commemoration of the Tenth of Tevet to the fall of the Hasmonean dynasty in 37 BCE and the corruption and civil war that characterized the Hasmoneans after their victory that gave rise to Hanukkah. Of course, that's not at all to take away from the main commemoration of the start of the siege of Jerusalem in 587 BCE. In that case, one could make a tenuous link between Hanukkah and the Tenth of Tevet beyond the coincidence in the calendar. In addition, whereas for Hanukkah the Hasmoneans were victorious over the Hellenizers, for the Septuagint (one of the three main events commemorated during the 10th of Tevet) and for the endgame of the Hasmonean dynasty it was the other way around. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Therav (talk • contribs) 17:29, 25 December 2020 (UTC)