Talk:Terminal emulator

September 2005

Yes, this is what might be banged into a terminal. lysdexia 11:27, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

raw/cooked modes

It seems to me raw/cooked modes are handled by OS terminal driver, not by terminal emulator. So it would be better to remove that section or move it somewhere else. There's something like cooked mode that IS handled by terminal itself (and may be emulated by terminal emulators) - "half duplex mode", but it is so rarely used (currently) that maybe not worth mentioning at all.--Mpletnyov 17:59, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Or it could be redeveloped to note how Unix terminal drivers hide most of the details in this area. But keep in mind that does not apply to non-Unix systems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tedickey (talk • contribs) 18:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

What about adding references to raw, cooked and rare mode to jargon file: http://www.olc.edu/~cdelong/jargon-4.4.7/jargon-4.4.7/html/R/raw-mode.html

JainAmber (talk) 09:27, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

that's getting offtrack (doesn't help this topic at all). Tedickey (talk) 09:51, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Navigation Box

wondering if there is a navigation box somewhere which has the terminal emulators listed, if this doesn't exist, should probably create —Preceding unsigned comment added by 231O (talk • contribs) 09:14, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Interesting idea. Should it only contain "notable" products, i.e. ones with a wikipedia presence?

--ClickRick (talk) 10:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

There's already a category (navigation boxes don't seem to be a good fit, since they support few choices) Tedickey (talk) 10:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

There is, but there are plenty of entries missing from it. Attachmate, for example, is a page about the company, which produces a TE product. The page should not be in the category (the article is not about the product, the product is listed as only one part of it), but the product would appear in such a navbox.

I agree with the limitations of such a navbox, though, so as an alternative, how about a "List of..." page?

--ClickRick (talk) 11:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding (for example) Attachmate, my impression is that the company is listed because no one's found enough time/sources/etc to make a topic for the TE product. A "List of..." page would work; I hadn't done anything on that since (unlike categories) it requires work to maintain. Tedickey (talk) 11:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

javascript xterm

It should be noted in the implimentations section http://www.masswerk.at/termlib/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.120.18 (talk) 20:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

TTY stands for teletype, not terminal (?)

The first sentence states that tty is short for terminal, but this is not true as far as I am aware. The terminals are emulators of the pure teletypes (tty) which are accessed via ctrl+alt+[n] on a linx based box. I don't know enough wiki syntax to edit this, so I'll leave it to this next person who reads this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.218.81 (talk) 20:16, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Should this article assume...

...that everybody knows what a "dumb" video terminal is? I dare say that the average computer-savvy teenager probably does not. I could write a few introductory sentences if needed; just ask. Nikevich (talk) 07:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

It does need work (noting that a problem will be in fending off digressions by people whose only experience is for Linux console). Tedickey (talk) 11:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Excessive redlinks

The redlinks to terminal emulators appear more promotional than informative (several aren't notable). Tedickey (talk) 01:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I've had my eye on the (growing) list for a while. I wouldn't mind a major trim. Dawnseeker2000 02:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

well, there's the bulk-approach (just remove all, and cite WP:WTAF), or piece-meal (discuss here, and leave only the ones that it's likely a topic could be written which shows that it's notable) Tedickey (talk) 09:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

My preference would be to trim the items without articles. Dawnseeker2000 04:44, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

bulk (go ahead) Tedickey (talk) 09:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I axed the Windows Mobile section too. Dawnseeker2000 14:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Looks better. (The only one that I thought could easily be given third-party sources was iTerm - there were a few others that were marginal) Tedickey (talk) 21:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I added iTerm back in, before checking the discussion page. I think as Terminal Emulators go, it's notable as being the only significant alternative to the built-in Terminal.app on Mac OS X, but I'm not sure what to write about it for its own page. Jonabbey (talk) 00:55, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

It seems a wiki article for iTerm was deleted back in 2008 for being 'blatant advertising'. ;-/ Jonabbey (talk) 00:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

However, can you rework the mention to either remove the external link, or to make some comment that uses it as a reference? Tedickey (talk) 12:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

I've taken a stab at it. Jonabbey (talk) 19:31, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Merge with CLI?

I think this article might need to be merged with Command-line_interpreter or Command-line_interface. When I look up the article on Konsole, it tells me it's a terminal emulator. The article on cmd.exe calls it a command-line interpreter. Windows PowerShell's first sentence has a link to command-line interface and shell (computing). --Sonjaaa (talk) 05:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

It might be, with a loss of accuracy. A command-line interpreter is a program that generally runs within a distinct terminal window. It's only for the special case of the Windows command-windows that they appear to be the same, and then only for specific shells. TEDickey (talk) 08:05, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

• I vote *against*. A terminal emulator is a program that gives one access to a CLI but it is not the CLI. A terminal emulator program is often a graphical app that provides an emulation of a text-mode display in a graphical environment and should *not* be confused with the commandline it gives one access to. In addition, terminal emulators are often used to access legacy menu-driven (ie. not commandline) apps. --Treekids (talk) 00:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Printing?

Article should cover the issue of printing in a terminal emulator and indicate which terminal emulators support it. --Treekids (talk) 00:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

«terminal emulators are the only way to access applications running on these older machines.»

I disagree with this sentence: «terminal emulators are the only way to access applications running on these older machines.» First, there is another way: use a physical terminal. So it is not the only way, but the more modern available for those applications and the cheaper. Secondly this is about application designed to only have terminal user interface, which might be runnt on old machines eventually. Thirdly, another way exist which consist in redeveloping the application with a new technology such as client/server or graphical user interface, this choice is related to cost considerations.

So, I propose: «terminal emulators are the easier way to access those older terminal user interface oriented applications, when they are not modernized (for a question of cost).» — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.199.89.101 (talk) 09:36, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

original research claims equating console window and terminal emulators

So far, none of the sources even use the term "terminal emulators". They only (at most - one did not even infer this) that they are analogous features. Since there are already distinct topics for reasons established by consensus, there's no reason yet provided for obscuring this distinction. TEDickey (talk) 09:22, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Just as a reminder: "emulators" appears nowhere in the given sources, and as usual, there are no WP:RS from third-party reviewers supporting the creative "console emulators" term. TEDickey (talk) 10:45, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

This is no original research. This is common sense. It clearly appears in the given sources that terminal and console are synonymous. Check this quote "Another term for console is terminal." Moreover, a terminal emulator for Windows exists named ConEmu, which is itself an abbreviation for CONsole EMUlator. If terminal = console then terminal emulator = console emulator. No original research, just common sense. Check this link: http://lifehacker.com/5857540/the-best-terminal-emulator-for-windows. A quote from the ConEmu's wikipedia article: "ConEmu (short for Console Emulator) is a console window (terminal emulator)". Nickjames90 (talk) 11:07, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

"ConEmu" is a constructed name; there's no common usage for the corresponding term "console emulator". "Terminal" is not the same as "terminal emulator". Your sources do not support your edits TEDickey (talk) 21:49, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Googling on "console emulator" shows that the term as such refers to video games. TEDickey (talk) 21:51, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

The lifehacker link is talking about command-line programs, and says that for certain configurations (exclusively Cygwin and MinGW) mintty can be used. There's nothing in that page which implies that a console window can be used where a terminal emulator is needed TEDickey (talk) 23:10, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia topics are not WP:RS, so a quote from one of them is pointless. TEDickey (talk) 23:10, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

The Microsoft site itself use the word "console emulator" for ConEmu which is a terminal emulator. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/jj649372.aspx#ctl00_MTContentSelector1_mainContentContainer_ctl02. This article also uses the words "terminal emulator" and "console emulator" interchangeably: http://windows.appstorm.net/reviews/utilities-reviews/an-even-better-command-line-with-conemu/ Nickjames90 (talk) 03:41, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

However, ConEmu does not perform terminal emulation as described in this topic. It uses the Windows Console API. Combining unrelated articles is an example of WP:Synthesis. If you've enough sources to do more than pursue a WP:Fringe discussion, that could work for a new [[Console emulator]] topic. But with only a single example, there's not much to discuss. TEDickey (talk) 08:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

You are right that "console emulator" is a term that refers more to video games. But still a considerable amount of people use the terms "terminal emulator" and "console emulator" interchangeably on Windows platform. Probably that is a reason why Console Emulator article has a note that "Not to be confused with Terminal emulator." In my view a single line with a clarification (that it can also refer to video games) can do no harm to the article and can actually help people who are confused with both the terms. I don't want to argue anymore. You seem to be a more experienced Wikipedian than me and thus I respect your opinion. End of discussion. Happy Editing. Nickjames90 (talk) 13:04, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Need for an article explaining "Network Virtual Terminal"?

For a complete discussion of Terminal Emulators do we not need to describe what the Terminals that are being emulated are intended to do? In turn that leads on to the fact that all of those are designed to connect with, possibly with agreed enhancements, the Network Virtual Terminal which is the (hypothetical) model of the device on the other end of the network. However there does not appear to be such an entry within Wikipedia - though the term is identified in the pseudo-disambiguation in NVT.

I do not feel adequate to the task and can only point out the following suggestions for research though I do not know if they come within the requirements to be sources: http://pcmicro.com/netfoss/telnet.html, http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_TelnetCommunicationsModelandtheNetworkVirtualTermi.htm...

SlySven (talk) 17:38, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

poor source usage for putty

Alternatives-to is not a WP:RS, and conclusions based on its count are faulty. In a quick read, most of the listed alternatives are not actually terminal emulators, but rather programs which overlap one or more features. TEDickey (talk) 08:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)