Talk:Terra Nova (TV series)/Archive 3

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Merger proposal 2

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Seems to me that the prior proposal did not make sense to you. I hope I've done better here than above; here goes. Terra Nova lasted only one season, and I don't see why the episode list must be stand-alone, like List of Twin Peaks episodes. Merging list into parent article could make the article longer, but I would rather have a longer article than a poor-quality list. To make matters complicated, someone proposed comments about formatting both parent and list articles without considering merger. Like Firefly (TV series), Terra Nova lasted only 13 episodes. --George Ho (talk) 06:59, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

• Agreed. Put the list into the article, it's just 13 episodes, it's not a very long list. Since it was cancelled it wont need to be udpated anyway. Doesnt hurt anybody to put it in. — comment added by 217.39.208.178 (talk) 11:16, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

• This is an inappropriate use of the RfC process. RfCs are part of dispute resolution, used when prior discussion has failed to arrive at a suitable resolution, but the merge proposal has never been discussed. Instead, RfC was used as the first method of discussion.[1] The subsequent poorly attended RfC expired,[2] but was almost immediately relisted.[3] That discussion also expired,[4] and has now been relisted again. If there was a serious attempt at discussing this, instead of jumping straight to RfC for a third time, there might be a better response. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Removed RFC tag. --George Ho (talk) 15:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose some points are well received, but there is no real harm in keeping the list separate.--JOJ ^Hutton 23:15, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

• If we leave the list separate from parent articles of one-season programs, then we may encourage editors to do the same, and we would worsen parent articles' qualities. --George Ho (talk) 23:19, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

• There is a lot of information in that parent article. Unless there were separate articles for each episode, a separate article that can list specific plot information from each of this episodes is appropriate, even if for only one season. I don't see any evidence that the parent article will suffer.--JOJ ^Hutton 00:15, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

• Maybe plot summaries could be skimmed down by removing trivial info. Well, I don't see why we must separate episode list from Firefly (TV series) again; people favored merger there. --George Ho (talk) 03:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - I was neutral on this, as it doesn't really matter whether the episode list is here or at its current location. Convention is to place episode lists at "List of <foo> episodes", so we would keep the redirect for readers who might search there. We need to anyway, as we need to maintain the edit history of the episode list in order to provide attribution. For these reasons, I don't see justification in moving the episode list here. --AussieLegend (✉) 04:51, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose: WP:SIZESPLIT suggest an article be of "readable prose" length, up to 50k bytes in length. If you add the episode list in with the main article, we're talking 72k bytes in size, based on what is contained in the Episodes table itself. There could be some overall trimwork to get this number down, but some things will suffer for it. Leave it as is. —Wyliepedia 13:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

While I respect your right to oppose, you seem to misunderstand what constitutes readable prose. "Readable prose" is "all viewable text in the main sections only, not including any viewable text in a table or a list, and not including any footer sections" and it is not the same as the file size of the article. This article is 47.5kB but contains only 17kB of readable prose. Strictly speaking, episode summaries are not classed as readable prose because they are contained in the episode table. However, using a very loose interpretation of the definition of readable prose, the amount of readable prose in the episode article is 15.4kB, while the article's file size is 28.6kB. This gives a combined total of 32.4kB of readable prose, not 72kB. Not also that WP:SIZESPLIT provides guidance on when to split an article, it does not concern itself with combining articles. --AussieLegend (✉) 15:40, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

*Support. Even if it goes a little long (which I don't think it will), the series is cancelled, so it won't really be growing. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:54, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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Ip is changing the number of episodes and ordering at List of Terra Nova Episodes.

Consensus was to have the episodes as 13, but an ip is changing it to 12 at List of Terra Nova episodes and will not discuss the issue. I want to report the ip, but thought I'd try here first. JOJ ^Hutton 22:08, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Comments by outside editors in the RfC were that the first episode should be listed as a single episode. There is no valid consensus to list them as 13. I can see the IP's point that they should be listed as 12. The final episode was aired as one in Canada and some places in the US but as two back to back episodes in other parts of the US. This is how it was originally listed but some people took exception. --AussieLegend (✉) 03:10, 23 September 2013 (UTC)