Talk:Territorial prelate

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The territorial prelate is sometimes called a prelate nullius, from the Latin nullius diœceseos, prelate "of no diocese," meaning the territory falls directly under the jurisdiction of the pope and is not a diocese under a residing bishop.

But is this true? Almost all of the examples of territorial prelates in catholic-hierarchy.org are, while certainly being of no diocese, equally not under the direct jurisdiction of the pope. What appears to distinguish territorial prelacies from apostolic vicariates and apostolic prefectures is that they are under the sovereignty of the metropolitan of the province. For instance, the territorial prelacy of Huautla is subject to the Archbishop of Antequera, Oaxaca. Should this be corrected? john k 15:38, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, this information is from the Catholic Encyclopedia (i.e. 1917) and is a bit dated. This article should be updated to conform to changes from Vatican II and the 1983 code. Pmadrid 02:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

In keeping with this idea, I have removed the reference to tonsure and minor orders, which no longer exist. And I have removed the mention of Belmont Abby in North Carolina, since it is no longer an abbey nullius. 76.123.208.229 (talk) 18:44, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Purpose and history of this status?

The article says nothing about when and why this status was created, neither about which purpose it serves today. Why are not either the prelatures made regular dioceses, or alternatively, joined to a neighboring diocese? -- 92.229.83.238 (talk) 09:59, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that a territorial prelature is sometimes established when it is not seen appropriate to include the territory into a much larger diocese for smooth pastoral care or tradition of the prelature (the latter seems to be much the case as to Norway), but it is established enough to get the somewhat self-standing status of a prelature instead of being apostolic vicariate (missonary regions) or apostolic administrature (political exceptionalities); possibly also, it may not be likely that it may ever become a diocese. I say self-standing though its bishop is not sacramentally its bishop, as with dioceses who obey to the Pope as the head of the worldwide Church and their superior but not as being his originary subordinates (they are his subordinates of course, I think you get my meaning); territorial prelates are papal appointees as shown in the article, but have not the "chain of command"-aura among jurisdictionaries as, say, apostolic vicars. The prelature of Loreto is an Italian sanctuary and will not be a diocese; the Mission de France should have been a personal prelature in my opinion which structure unfortunately did not then exist, and so on. --84.154.110.157 (talk) 23:19, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

Territorial Prelate → Territorial prelate – WP:NCCAPS, no compelling reason to capitalize this Elizium23 (talk) 00:43, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Dicklyon (talk) 05:48, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
• Strong Support – Honestly, you could probably just be bold and make the move. It seems pretty uncontroversial. --V2Blast (talk) 09:34, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

I tried, but the redirect at the target has an edit history and so this move can only be made by an administrator. Elizium23 (talk) 17:18, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Ah, okay. That would explain that. Guess we'll have to wait for an admin, then. --V2Blast (talk) 05:17, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Moved as requested. Dekimasuよ! 00:57, 25 November 2014 (UTC)