Talk:Terror of the Stratus

Title

If we've got an English title, even if it wasn't ever released in English regions, isn't it better to use it, considering that name means absolutely nothing to 99% of English readers. It reads like gibberish now. Sergecross73 msg me 18:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't necessarily argue against what you're saying except that it hasn't been standard practice. Most articles on non-English works use the title of the earliest localization unless it hasn't been localized, then we use the Romanization. WP:NCVG is pretty clear about never using unofficial titles, though I'm sure there've been cases where people felt that RSs were in overwhelming agreement about an unofficial English title. So, to summarize, "meh". ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 19:57, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm against using unofficial titles as well, but its not like its some random fan-coined term, its just an English translation, and one that's present in majority of the sources used in the article, whether it be in article titles or in passing. I think its a good idea to keep the English version as far as being helpful to the general reader. Sergecross73 msg me 20:44, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

If you want to move it back, I won't object, but it might be more constructive to have an RfC with WP:VG and WP:JAPAN about WP:EN, WP:NCVG and WP:MOS-JA. This is an area where I think it might be a good idea to hammer out a consensus, as WP:EN & WP:NCVG might be read to contradict each other. Not that I have the initiative to make any effort myself... ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 21:07, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

If you won't object, I'll probably change it back. If more people start objecting, I'll start up an RFC or something. (Any naming RFC's have been involved in have been long and drawn out, so I'd rather not start one up either, unless there's someone actively objecting.) Sergecross73 msg me 14:10, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

err... a little late, but... "Terror of the Stratus" isn't an "English title", it's just a quick little unofficial Japanese to English translation. it's still a unofficial term that should be avoided, whether or not Siliconera or some blog wrote it.

"Senritsu no Stratus" definitely has meaning to an English speaker; it's the romanization of the actual title, "戦律のストラタス". romanization is there to make non-Latin languages easier for speakers of Latin languages, so it's got all the meaning it needs. the problem is that people don't "get" that this is even the title, because they don't "see" it.

it's a little unfair to use romanization for this and that game, but use a completely unofficial translation for some other game simply because this one site did so, other sites regurgitated that site's articles, and so everyone only saw this unofficial translation. that's seriously misrepresenting the facts, don't you think? at some point, the fact that there's been a big mistake should at least be pointed out.

unless someone can find "Terror of the Stratus" somewhere that isn't just some English-language game site (which, nine times out of ten, are pretty much blogs), this article should be at "Senritsu no Stratus", hands down.

oh... hm... actually, i don't think that's even a correct translation. if anything i know about Japanese is true, this is a basic phrase structure that should actually be read as "The Stratus of Terror" or "The Terrifying Stratus" or something like that. "Terror of the Stratus" is kinda like translating "ゼルダの伝説" as "The Legendary Zelda".

(...戦律 may actually be an original or very uncommon word. most of what i find on it refers to this game alone. i guess "terror" is a literal translation of the two characters together, but...) 75.177.119.25 (talk) 07:28, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, it looks like this has been stale for 2 years, but for future reference, in case it come up again and I miss it for years.

1. On Wikipedia, we name according to WP:COMMONNAME. Google can be a good way of determining which name is more commonly used. See 186,000 hits for Terror of the Stratus, versus less than 7,800 hits for Senritsu no Stratus. Terror of the Stratus is clearly used more.
2. We try to use English names per WP:USEENGLISH.
3. We try to stick to the translations that sources use because there's often multiple different (and correct) ways to translate it, so we use the one that sources tend to use. (That reasoning circles back to point #1 again.)
4. When I made my comment years back that Senritsu no Stratus didn't mean anything to English readers, I mean that, words like "Senritsu" has no English meaning, and anyone who doesn't have knowledge of Japanese (like 99% of English speakers) the title means nothing to them. Its just going to be jargon/jibberish to them. At least the word "Terror" conveys a bit of meaning to the reader. Sergecross73 msg me 17:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)