Talk:Terrorgram
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Sources
editThe Institute for Strategic Dialogue seems to be a political advocacy organization, and they seem to be the primary source claiming that this group exists. While it seems obvious that some people are racist and violent on the Internet, it's not clear to me that there exists a specific organization or group called "Terrorgram" which these people consider themselves to be a part of. There isn't really a source for this: even the rather-flimsy reference from the ISD itself doesn't claim this, and instead references a webpage at Hope not Hate, which is very openly a political advocacy organization.
A political advocacy group seems like a rather poor source for claims about the power and influence of politically oriented groups that they're opposed to. But even they do not say that such a group exists and calls itself that; their own page says that we must explore the so-called "Terrorgram" network
-- this is their only justification for the term. They never present any evidence of someone in this group of people saying "Terrorgram" or identifying themselves with such an organization. Accordingly, I think this article should be amended to reflect that this is simply a term applied after the fact for convenient reference. jp×g 22:08, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
Undocumented publication
edithttps://trackingterrorism.org/chatter/terrorgram-manual-on-how-to-use-breastmilk-to-make-explosives/ 2A02:AA1:161D:2FB4:44D1:C1FF:FE14:838E (talk) 22:28, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Sources again
editGraham Macklin, ‘“Praise the Saints”’, in A Transnational History of Right-Wing Terrorism, by Johannes Dafinger and Moritz Florin, 1st ed. (London: Routledge, 2022), 215–40, https://doi.org/10.4324/9781003105251-16.
This may be a better source than 'TERRORGRAM: from Buffalo to Bratislava, which is imprecise.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC).
Terrorgram Links to Steve Bannon's War Room podcast and Telegram channel
editNeo-Nazi terrorist group using Steve Bannon account to radicalize people - by Ben Makuch, The Guardian, 20 August 2024
Should this be mentioned somewhere on the Wikipedia article? Thanks. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 16:47, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Far-Right ‘Terrorgram’ Chatrooms Are Fueling a Wave of Power Grid Attacks
editA new article from Bloomberg UK. This does not appear to be mentioned in the current version of the Wikipedia article on the Terrorgram subject.
Of interest:
Damaging the power grid has long been a fixation of right-wing extremists, who have plotted such attacks for many years. They’ve been getting a boost recently from online venues such as “Terrorgram,” a loose network of channels on the social media platform Telegram where users across the globe advocate violent white supremacism. ... In June 2022, months before the Moore County shootings, users on the forum began offering more practical support in the form of a 261-page document titled “Hard Reset,” which includes specific directions on how to use automatic weapons, explosives and mylar balloons to disrupt electricity. One of the document’s suggestions is to shoot high-powered firearms at substation transformers.
Also this:
Brandon Russell, another former Iron March user, and a partner allegedly planned to shoot at multiple power plants around Baltimore. Communicating in a series of online chats, Russell and Sara Beth Clendaniel allegedly shared public maps of grid infrastructure around the US, widely distributed on Terrorgram channels, to find a “ring” of stations around the Baltimore region.
There must be other articles on the topic as well, but this is the first one I've seen that links Terrorgram to far-right terrorism and grid attacks. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 05:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Terrorgram is also mentioned several times in this new ProPublica story, from 3 September 2024:
- The Accelerationists’ App: How Telegram Became the “Center of Gravity” for a New Breed of Domestic Terrorists
- Another good source for the article. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 04:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Kaczynski wasn’t a “white supremacist”.
edita part of the article claims the criteria for sanctification includes being a “white supremacist”, and yet it lists Ted K. as an example, who wasn’t a “white supremacist”. I don’t even think Timothy M. was a “white supremacist” either, he just owned a copy of the Turner Diaries and tabloids made sensationalist articles about how he “owned white supremacist literature”. 2A00:23C6:D603:8001:94FF:94CF:3D5:457D (talk) 20:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
list of zines and/or separate page(s) for zine entries/publications
editwould it be a good idea to add a section to list Terrorgram publications? Articled like this and the one for the O9A usually end up as an incoherent mash-up of sensationalist news articles. There isn’t really any mystery to Terrorgram zines. They’re on Archive org; I think it’d be dishonest to suggest that Trammers are only reading Hard Reset and not e.g. Militant Accelerationism. 2A00:23C6:D603:8001:94FF:94CF:3D5:457D (talk) 20:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)