Talk:Terry Wogan/Archive 1

Archive 1

Limerick

Common forklore in Limerick suggests Terry was from Elm Park (the street off the Ennis Road, not the one in Castletroy) - is this true? --Zilog Jones 11:43, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Health

I have twice heard Wogan claim that he is "never without pain". Is this true or is it some kind of joke? If he has a chronic illness, I think it should be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.98.107 (talk) 09:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Should it be "Sir"?

It was my understanding that as Terry bears Irish citizenship, he isn't actually referred to as "Sir" even though he has a KBE/OBE (can't remember which!). Could anyone clarify this, or is the article correct?

I think that he has British citizenship too so can be Sir Tel Robdurbar 20:18, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

He had an OBE (honorary) first, then that was subsumed in his KBE (honorary), then that became a substantive KBE when he became a British citizen. Hence 'Sir Terry'. This is a direct quote from the article:

• "As an Irish citizen he was initially only able to use the post-nominal letters KBE, however he is now entitled to use the title "Sir Terry" since he has since taken dual British and Irish citizenship. JackofOz 23:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Is he a British subject or a British citizen? British nationality law explains the distinction. Persons born in the Republic of Ireland before 1949 can usually reclaim British subject status by declaration, but if they want to become full British citizens they need to apply to the Home Office for registration or naturalisation (after fulfilling residence requirements). A citizenship ceremony (since 2004) is also required. JAJ 15:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

According to List of honorary British knights, becoming a British subject is all that is necessary to be entitled to a substantive knighthood:

• "The term "British subject" in this context refers to a subject of Her Majesty in right of the United Kingdom. Since 1983, this includes British citizens, British overseas territories citizens, British Overseas citizens, British Nationals (Overseas) and British subjects under the British Nationality Act 1981. See British nationality law. Between 1949 and 1982 the term referred to Citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies together with British subjects under the British Nationality Act 1948. See History of British nationality law." JackofOz 20:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Terry now has dual citizenship between Ireland and the UK, so he can officially use his title of Sir. Garethpeate

I heard that he was entitled to use "Sir" because when he was born, Ireland was still in the commonwealth. Of course, that could be rubbish. --81.154.180.221 09:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

This wouldn't be true, in order to use the title "Sir" you must be a British national or citizen of a Commonwealth country which has the Queen as Head of State. Being born in a Commonwealth country is meaningless in this context. Not every Commonwealth country has the Queen as head of state, and many of them do not give automatic citizenship to those born on their territory. JAJ 18:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

He took up dual British/Irish citizenship to allow himself to upgrade to a full KBE and use "Sir". British subject status is available to any Irish people born before 1949 - it's just an administrative exercise (section 31 British Nationality Act 1981). Given his long standing residence in the UK, it is likely that he was offered full citizenship status automatically once he regained his subject status (Commonwealth citizens and British subjects need to show 5 years residence with some other criteria to be offered full British citizenship).BaseTurnComplete 09:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Non-Commonwealth citizens can also be naturalised British citizens, like anyone else, after meeting normal residence requirements. However, I would suspect Terry Wogan has not upgraded to full British citizenship - even for British subjects, this now requires a citizenship ceremony (since 2004) and that would surely have been reported in the media. JAJ 16:46, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, however the process and requirements are slightly different for non-Commonwealth citizens, the end-point is the same.BaseTurnComplete 09:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Since 1983 there is absolutely no difference between how Commonwealth and non-Commonwealth citizens become naturalised British. See British nationality law. The only distinction that remains is that persons holding another form of British nationality, such as British subject or British Overseas citizen, can be registered as British citizens based on UK residence, which is a simpler process than naturalisation. JAJ 16:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Did anyone think to ask themselves where Wogan was born and when? In 1938 Limerick was in the Irish Free State, which was still part of the British Empire, making him a British citizen by birth, that is why he can use the "Sir". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.239.159.5 (talk) 09:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

toupee?

Can we mention that he wears a wig, he is quite well known for it?

He's well known for allegedly wearing a wig. Buf if so it's a wig that fails to cover the bald spot at the back of his head. See also - http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,1179351,00.html Jooler 10:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes i was a bit disappointred that there was a whole article about Terry i've-got-a-Wig-on without mentioning it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.132.10 (talk) 15:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

He doesn't have a wig. He just has very bad hair. AuntFlo (talk) 13:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I guess it's not really relevant to the article as such but he's well known for wearing wigs of various lengths to simulate the hair growing and being cut. When asked if he wears a wig, he doesn't deny it and usually responds cryptically. It's pretty obviously a wig when you look at it anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.108.92.234 (talk) 05:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Readers Digest used to say Ronald Reagan didn't dye his hair. Maybe he didn't!Wythy (talk) 18:34, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Removed Criticisms section

==Criticisms== ===Wogan's Wig=== Terry Wogan may or may not wear a [[toupee]]. However there has been intense speculation over the years as to how Wogan's unique hairstyle is constructed. Wogan's [[wedding]] photo as published in his [[autobiography]] shows Wogan with a slightly receding hairline, however in the famous photo of the first Radio 1 disc jockeys taken outside [[Broadcasting House]], his hairline appears much fuller.

I've removed this as it has no references and only offers speculation as to the existence or otherwise of his hair. Plus I don't see how him having a toupee or not counts as criticism... --Richmeister 16:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

ESC 2006

During the presentation of the Dutch televote in the Eurovision Song Contest 2006, Terry Wogan called the Dutch televote presenter, Paul de Leeuw, a "idiot", as de Leeuw started to make comments and gave his mobilephone number and lengthened the Dutch results.

I wrote this, as I thought it would make a good trivia. My source is in the main article ((European Song Contest 2006|ESC 06]]). If you guys don't like it, you can always take it away. Dr.Poison 08:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

He called him an "eedjut" (ie with an exaggerated Irish accent, implying a slightly less prejorative usage). 86.144.205.161 20:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Marital Status

In the infobox, it says he is 'single'. As far as I was aware, he has a wife named Helen. The last I heard was about three years ago, but I have not heard anything to suggest otherwise. Would somebody please clarify this. Maramotus 23:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I've taken it out - since the article speaks of his grandchildren, "single" would hardly be appropriate anyway - he'd either be "married", "divorced" or "widowed". I've also taken the "age" entry out of the infobox as it's absolutely insane to have to maintain the article every year when we already have his date of birth in the infobox. -- Arwel (talk) 00:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Maramotus is correct, his wife, the present Mrs Wogan, is called Helen, jguk 18:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

She's now Lady Wogan Millbanks 21:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

moved citation

Re the change I just made : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terry_Wogan&diff=76179238&oldid=76140584 I moved the citation to the sentance it was actually appropriate for, also, the Telegraph article (april 2006) states Wogan earned £800,000 a year, the Wikipedia article states £850,000, (citing "british newspapers in april 2006" so I'll alter the wikipedia article to 800,000 now as well --RickiRich 05:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

In Mustn't Grumble, Terry confirms the £800,000 figure, jguk 18:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Probably not a naturalised British citizen

It's unlikely that Terry Wogan is a naturalised British citizen. Had he acquired British citizenship in 2005 this would have required his attendance at a citizenship ceremony which would have been reported.

It's much more likely he reclaimed his pre-1949 British nationality by declaration to the Home Secretary (being born in the Republic of Ireland pre-1949 allows this) but this only confers the status of British subject and is not full British citizenship. Although it does allow a substantive knighthood. JAJ 01:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Media articles stating that Wogan holds British "citizenship" cannot be accepted as authoritative evidence that he became naturalised British, as opposed to making a declaration of British subject status under section 31 of the British Nationality Act 1981. The article British nationality law and the Republic of Ireland explains the distinction between British subject status and British citizenship as it applies to those from the ROI. JAJ 03:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The article I included had a quote from a palace spokeswoman. While I accept reporters can get something wrong you would expect a spokeperson to be properly briefed. Also Irish news is reporting the same thing [1] and the Irish Independent states that he took part in a citizenship ceromony earlier in the year [2] (free registration). josh (talk) 15:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't necessarily expect a "palace spokesperson" to be properly briefed either. If Wogan really did become a British citizen, how come there are no reports of his citizenship ceremony (compulsory for all new citizens)? JAJ 22:59, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

If Terry Wogan didn't make the information public then the media wouldn't have nessasraly known about the ceromony. They didn't report anything of his change of status, which was important due to the pending knighthood. It would virtually inconcivable that the whole of the media in both the UK and Ireland would incorrectly report his status (with he irish independent fabricating a line about him attending a citizenship ceromony earlier in the year) and for no correction from either Terry Wogan or the Government to be subsequently published. Given the evidence, I i'm restoring the statement about his citizenship and you will need to provide contradictory evidence to back up your argument. josh (talk) 23:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

My apologies. I missed the reference in the Irish Independent article to a citizenship ceremony. On that basis the evidence points to him being a full British citizen. JAJ 00:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

As an aside, the Irish Independent article is wrong when it says that dual citizenship has been permitted since 1986. The date is actually 1956. JAJ 00:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

His recent autobiography, Mustn't Grumble, supports what JAJ said originally. Since Terry was born when Ireland was still in the Commonwealth, he could claim dual Irish-British nationality. He checked with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, who said yes. He later got an Additional Knighthood, and a visit to Buck House, as a result: two gongs for the price of one, jguk 18:51, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

It is true that birth in Ireland prior to 1 January 1949 (incidentally the country was still in the Commonwealth until 18 April 1949) allows one to claim British subject status. But the reference to a citizenship ceremony in the reports above suggests that Terry Wogan chose to become a full British citizen by naturalisation or registration. As for "two gongs" I believe it's considered to be the substantive honour replacing the honorary award, not adding to it. JAJ 23:46, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Offended Swedes?

Wasn't it the Danes he offended? After all, that's where the song contest was being held, and that's what he says in Mustn't Grumble. Is the reference to Swedes just incorrect? jguk 18:57, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

This section is not wikipedia worthy and should be removed completely. 99.9% of danes have no idea who Terry Wogan is, and those that do will usually find him quite funny. A couple of tabloids made a headline with a few lines taken out of contest and 1 day later it was forgotten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.90.165.16 (talk) 03:03, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Not wikipedia worthy? Shouldn't that have be Wikipedia worthy? Define that phrase anywayWythy (talk) 18:38, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I think "Doctor Death and the Tooth Fairy" has a certain ring to it. And the current source is the Official History of Eurovision? So I'd say keep it in. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:52, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Children in Need Fee

The recent edit to the qutation of Wogan's fee for Children In Need has been restored to a neutral tone for the second time in a week. Does anyone know if Wogan has said he will repay any of this? Paul210 11:28, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

POV?

Isn't "Terry also earns a reported £150,000 at the Eurovision Song Contest despite, or perhaps due to, his poor performance of talking over songs and making snide remarks. However, many European countries opt to take the BBC's coverage of the event rather than the expense of covering it themselves." a bit POV? (and unreferenced?) 86.144.205.161 21:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Turn on to BBC1 and you'll hear some. ≈ Maurauth ^(09F9) 21:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

"Poor performance of talking over songs and making snide remarks"? Most British people watch Eurovision purely for Wogan's commentary, which has comic value. It isn't poor performance at all. 130.88.174.229 22:29, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm British and was watching it, and found it remarkably idiotic, I suppose the more common people would be entertained by it. It was incredibly irritating when he was talking over Lordi's performance... 86.6.17.37 08:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

'More common people'? My God you sound bigoted. 130.88.174.229 11:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Mass edits - removing trivia section

As you can see from the history, over the past half hour or so, I have made numerous edits, merging the trivia section into the main article and removing the trivia section. Please note that I have also tagged a few areas as requiring references, and these should be found. Some of the trivia did not survive the transition - for instance, the comment that Wogan has made "racist" comments was removed for being in violation of WP:BLP in my opinion.

There is also a need in places to rewrite elements of the article to make some of the newly merged material flow better. I would also suggest that the three sections about his career be further divided into subsections to make it more accessible. I think a lot could be done with a simple copy-edit, so I have tagged the page - I may come back and have a go at this in a few days if noone else does it, but I can't make any guarantees!  :) Any comments, please drop a line to my talk page --Fritzpoll 22:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Mass Edits II

The article has now been substantially restructured. Certain elements have been removed, but the overwhelming majority of the content still remains. A lot of work went into removing the informal, friendly-banter style in certain elements of the article - this was not an appropriate tone for an encyclopaedia.

There are still bits of work to be done here - most involve finding citations for some facts that have been stated here. I will probably not be able to help here, as I am mostly rearranging content, and though I also did some fact-checking, it was not possible to check everything! :) Hopefully my edits are considered valuable, and other editors will find the article more readable and accessible. Please make any comments you wish on my talk page. I will now remove the clean-up tag. --Fritzpoll 22:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Please also note that I have now listed this article to receive a rating from the WikiProject:Biography members. This should be a first step to identify shortcomings. Dependent on their result, I may also submit this to Peer Review to garner further counsel for improvements. --Fritzpoll 23:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I've decided to rate this article as a B-class article. It is well written and contains a substantial amount of content. The: Personal Life section could use some improvements. It seems worded strangely and could use more info such as the names of his mother and father. Try to find citations for the four uncited statements. Also, the red links could be removed, or have short articles written on them. I hope I don't sound too critical as this is a good article and I think it could be even be nominated for Good Article status. --Psychless 22:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Parents names

Trying to track down his parents names quickly for insertion into "Personal Life" - I can find his father's name as Michael Wogan, but nothing on his mother's name. Does anyone have any ideas? --Fritzpoll 08:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Rose Wogan. Millbanks (talk) 22:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on GA Acceptance

This article has passed the GA criteria and is now a Good Article. It covers the topic very well and is well referenced. My only suggestions are to find his mother's name if possible and possibly make the References section more readable. Good Job!

Peer Review Requested

Good news on the GA Status! I have asked WikiProject: Biography to Peer Review this to see how the article can be improved. --Fritzpoll 15:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Delisted GA

This article FAR from meets GA standards. It was not adequately reviewed and has been delisted. As a courtesy, I will leave a detailed review with all errors listed and my suggestions for improvement. It will take some time to review. I expect to have the review by the end of the day, however. Regards, LaraLove^T/_C 16:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

A bold action I agree with - I nominated it for GAR incase the person who passed it disputed my reasons. LuciferMorgan 16:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

As the nominator, not the reviewer, I am quite happy for an article to fail if it is not up to scratch. I would, as a comment, however, suggest that the tone of comments could be improved. In the review for example, "ugh" was used to describe this article - I don't think this is particularly fair: it doesn't meet the criteria=fair enough. But when people put work into things, or try to do things for the first time and screw it up, I think a little less insinuation of derision might be in order. --Fritzpoll 22:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm the past reviewer. Her draft is not yet complete after 3 days... but I've already fixed most of the things suggested so far. Apparently "ugh" was removed from the review. When her review is complete and all errors are fixed this article should definitely be nominated for GA again. If it gets accepted I might nominate it for A-class in WP Biography. --Psychless ^{Type words or read things!} 18:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest not renominating it immediately after the review is over, so as to give me as well as other editors time to expand some of the sections. The lead will still need to be redone, but I was waiting to see how the rest of the content came out before tackling it. Clearly, references are going to be key. What we really need is to find someone with access to Wogan's autobiographies... --Fritzpoll 23:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

References

I'm not going to try to do this right now (busy preparing for finals) but I think that before re-nomination, we'll need to change the reference format to use the appropriate citation templates. I'm also going to put a TODO list up over the next couple of days for additions that need to be made to the article, as a supplement to the corrections to be made from the review.

Its weird - I only started fiddling with this to get rid of the trivia section a week or so ago! Personally, I still think it looks better than it did, but I'm a little bit biased... :) --Fritzpoll 23:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:GA/R critique

This is the review/critique from my drafts page. I did not complete the references, but you now have the tools to do that yourselves. I believe that this article will meet GA standards once all the issues below are addressed and, therefore, recommend it be renominated after completion. If you have any questions or concerns, please leave a message on my talk page and I'll be glad to help. Regards, LaraLove^T/_C 16:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Broad suggestions

Wikification of years, although up to the editor, is typically discouraged. In this article, it seems rather random. I recommend wikification of all stand-alone years be removed. For month and year, these are typically wikified along with all dates (day month, year). Only month years from 1999 on are currently combined, i.e. [[May 2006]]. For previous years, you must wikify separately, i.e. [[May]] [[1967]]. (Per WP:MOS (dates and numbers)#dates)  Done

Note: I believe I have fixed all the dates in the article so they comply with your suggestion and the MoS. Psychless ^{Type words or read things!} 18:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Note 2: Someone decided to remove the wikilinks from dates like: July 1776. Oh well as long as it's consistent throughout the article. --Psychless ^{Type words or read things!} 21:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I fixed it. LaraLove^T/_C 04:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Lead

WP:LEAD states, "The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, summarizing the most important points, explaining why the subject is interesting or notable, and briefly describing its notable controversies, if there are any. ... It should contain up to four paragraphs, should be carefully sourced as appropriate, and should be written in a clear, accessible style so as to invite a reading of the full article."

• The lead needs to be expanded with the most important information from the article included in summary form.

*First sentence:

• • There needs to be a comma between "Wogan" and "KBE".
  • BBC needs to be written out with BBC in parenthesis following.
  • (UK) needs to be placed after United Kingdom.
• Second sentence:
  • I recommend wikifying "1960s" for context. (See WP:MOS (dates and numbers)#Years, decades, and centuries)
  • There should be a period (full stop) at the end. Followed immediately by the citation, no space.  Done

Personal life

• First paragraph:
  • The information of his birth place and date are included in the lead and the infobox, which fulfills lead guidelines. It is not necessary to include it again here. (If you were to inlcude it, however, you would need to place a comma between the day and year in the date and wikify it.) Some information is unnecessary and punctuation is also off. I suggest the first paragraph be changed to:

“ Terry Wogan, the son of a grocery store manager in Limerick, was educated at the Jesuit school of Crescent College, from the age of eight. He experienced a strong religious upbringing, later commenting that "There were hundreds of churches, all these missions breathing fire and brimstone, telling you how easy it was to sin, how you'd be in hell. We were brainwashed into believing."[3] Despite this, he has often expressed his fondness for the city of his birth, commenting on one occasion that "Limerick never left me, whatever it is, my identity is Limerick."[4] ”

*Note wikification of grocery store, manager, Jesuit, and Crescent College.  Done

• Second paragraph:
  • "At 15 he moved to Dublin, when his father became the general manager of a chain of grocery stores." → "At the age of 15, after his father was promoted to general manager, Wogan moved to Dublin with his family." (It is mentioned in the first paragraph that his father works for a grocery store, so that information can be omitted here.)

*Note wikification of general manager and Dublin.

• • Dewikify Dublin in the second sentence. Words should be wikified only in thier first appearance, with some exceptions that do not apply here.  Done
  • "He participated in amateur dramatics in Dublin and discovered a love of rock music."
    • "amateur dramatics" - What is that? Use common terms and wikify. If you are referring to a class he took, amateur would be implied and you simply need to list the class title, i.e. Theatre.
      • amateur dramatics currently links to community theatre, which is not the same thing at all. I think this is a perfectly common term. --Fritzpoll 18:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
        • Perhaps it's just not common here in the U.S. If it is common there, then disregard my suggestion. --LaraLove^T/_C 18:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Remove "in Dublin". We've established twice in this paragraph already that he's in Dublin.
    • Wikify rock music (this and some of the previous wikification suggestions are to give context).
  • "Once he left college, Wogan found himself in the banking profession, but after seeing an advert in a newspaper advertising jobs for announcers, he left to join Radio Telefís Éireann as a newsreader/announcer." → "After graduating from Belvedere in 1956[3], Wogan began a career in the banking profession. He later joined Radio Telefís Éireann as a newsreader and announcer, after seeing an advert in a newspaper advertising announcer positions."
• Third paragraph:
  • 25 April 1965 → April 25, 1965
  • Bray, Berkshire. → Bray, Berkshire, England.  Done

Radio work

Early career

• First paragraph:
  • I recommend changing it to: "Wogan conducted interviews and presented documentary features during his first two years at Radio Telefís Éireann, before moving to the light entertainment department as a disc jockey and host of TV [[quiz show|quiz]] and [[variety show]]s such as Jackpot, a top rated quiz show on RTÉ in the 1960s. When the show was dropped by RTÉ TV in 1967, Wogan approached the BBC for extra work. He began working for BBC Radio presenting Midday Spin in the mid-1960s and, on the inauguration of BBC Radio 1, he presented Late Night Extra for two years, commuting weekly from Dublin to London. After covering Jimmy Young's mid-morning show throughout July 1969, he was offered a regular afternoon slot from 3 to 5 p.m. This was officially on BBC Radio 1, however, due to lack of funding, it was simultaneously broadcast on BBC Radio 2." (Time formatting per WP:MOS (dates and numbers)#Time formatting)
• Second paragraph:
  • Comma after John Dunn.
  • "During Wogan's time on the breakfast show, he had achieved audiences of up to 7.6 million." - Citation needed.  Done
  • "During this period, he also released his own version of "The Floral Dance" by popular request from listeners who enjoyed hearing him singing over the instrumental hit by The Brighouse and Rastrick Brass Band." → "He also released his own version of "The Floral Dance", during this time, by popular request from listeners who enjoyed hearing him sing over the instrumental hit by The Brighouse and Rastrick Brass Band."
  • "His version reached number 27 in the UK singles chart." - Citation needed.  Done
  • "Me and the Elephant" → "..."Me and the Elephant", (comma)
  • Wikify album. Done

Return to radio

• First paragraph:
  • Wikify [[January]] [[1993]]  Done
  • Entire paragraph is unreferenced.
• Second paragraph:
  • The first half of this paragraph also needs to be referenced. "...whilst "TYGs" are Terry's Young Geezers/Gals who he jokes are forced to listen to him because of their parents' choice of radio station." is an indirect quote. That must be referenced.
  • Remove space before ref 7.  Done
• Third paragraph:
  • Needs citation.
• Fourth paragraph:
  • A claim like this requires citation.
• Fifth paragraph:
  • Comma after 2005, dewikilink stand-alone year (see broad suggestions at top of review).  Done
  • I don't see where Wake up to Wogan was previously mentioned as the title of his breakfast show. This should be listed above, not here in parenthesis.
  • "... attracted an audience of eight million." - needs citation.
  • Move ref 8 outside of punctuation.
  • Wikify [[April 2006]]
  • 30 May 2006 → May 30, 2006  Done
  • "The amount they said was true and I don't give a monkey's about people knowing it. Nor do I feel guilty. If you do the maths, factoring in my eight million listeners, I cost the BBC about 2p a fortnight. I think I'm cheap at the price".
    • Is there a word omitted between "monkey's" and "about"? If so, Wikipedia is not censored and the word should be included. — No- that's what he said: it's a phrase in British English. --Fritzpoll 19:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Check that this quote is exactly as he has said it. Did he say "maths"? — Yes. That's how the British abbreviate mathematics. --Fritzpoll 19:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    • For "2p", that should (I assume) read "two pounds". — Nope, it means 2p :) As in two british pence --Fritzpoll 19:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
    • For a full quote such as this, the period should be inside the end quotation.  Done
    • All quotes must be referenced.
• Sixth paragraph:
  • May 23 2005 → May 23, 2005
  • Move period to end of sentence and place ref 9 after period, no space.  Done
  • Last sentence needs citation.
• Seventh paragraph:
  • 16 February 2007 → February 16, 2007
• Eighth paragraph:
  • "On 16 February 2007, Wogan was forced off air when a fire alarm was activated in his studio." → "Wogan was forced off air when a fire alarm was activated in his studio, on February 16. 2007. Citation needed for second half of paragraph.  Done

Television work

Children in Need

• First paragraph:
  • Wikify telethon.
• Second paragraph:
  • Wikify [[auction]]s.  Done
  • "He has since joked on his BBC Radio 2 programme that the media had got it wrong, and that his body was superimposed on somebody else's head." - Indirect quote needs reference.
• Third paragraph:
  • Needs references for "(£9,065 in 2005)" and all quotes.

Eurovision Song Contest

• First paragraph:
  • "He also co-hosted the contest in 1998 with Ulrika Jonsson live from Birmingham,..." → "He also co-hosted the contest in 1998, with Ulrika Jonsson, live from Birmingham,..."
  • Wikify Denmark.
  • "...Making Your Mind Up in which..." → "...Making Your Mind Up, in which..."
  • "...Scooch and according to the BBC..." → "...Scooch and, according to the BBC, ..."  Done
  • Is the Cyndi mentioned here have a wikipedia article? --Doesn't look like it --Fritzpoll 21:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
• Second paragraph:
  • Wikify televote, idiot, Ireland, and Scotland.  Done
  • "...many European countries broadcast the BBC's coverage of the event rather than going to the expense of covering it themselves." - Citation needed.

Chat shows

• First paragraph:
  • Add a comma after "In 1981".
  • What is a "one-off" show? There isn't a wiki-article to explain and Google didn't help me. Added clarify tag
  • Wikify Saturday Night Live. Note: The show wasn't Saturday Night Live. I linked the correct name though
  • Comma after "Frank Hall".
  • Wikify [[Irish Film Censor's Office|Irish film censor]].  Done
  • Last sentence needs citation.
• Second paragraph:
  • "chatshow" → "chat show".
  • "...Saturday nights but between 1985 and 1992 became twice..." → "Saturday nights but, between 1985 and 1992, became twice..."
• Third paragraph:
  • "talk-show" - remove the hyphen. I also recommend changing it to chat show, as previously used. According to the Wikipedia article, talk show is the American term and chat show is the British term.  Done
  • "He claims..." - Must reference claims.
• Fourth paragraph:
  • Remove period after ref 13.
  • '"The most remarkable shot I've ever seen in my life".'
    • First, what does this have to do with anything?
    • Second, for full quotes the punctuation goes inside the quotations, so move the period.  Done
    • Third, all quotes must be referenced.
• Fifth paragraph:
  • "Terry has also appeared on the Jonathan Ross show in 2004 and 2006, and played the role of Timothy in the BBC Comedy Drama The Life and Death of Laura Helen Beeby during March 2003." → Wogan played the role of Timothy in the BBC comedy-drama The Life and Death of Laura Helen Beeby, during March 2003. He also appeared on Friday Night with Jonathan Ross in 2004 and 2006."
    • This is to keep in chronological order. Note changes: "the Jonathan Ross show" to "Friday Night with Jonathan Ross" ; comma after "Beeby" ; wikify March 2003.  Done
• Sixth paragraph:
  • "His time of 2:04 was faster only than the late Richard Whiteley and Jimmy Carr in the Chevrolet Lacetti, who spun out on his timed lap." - Who spun out on his timed lap? Richard Whiteley or Jimmy Carr?  Done
  • Wikify "Cheverolet Lacetti". Note: Daewoo Lacetti could be the correct link?  Done
  • Comma after "Baxter".
  • "...was guided by Clarkson around the track." - Who is Clarkson?  Done
  • This also needs a reference.

Honours and Awards

• Change heading to "Honours and awards".
• 'Wogan was awarded an honorary knighthood in the Queen's Birthday Honours 2005, but, as a result of becoming a British citizen in 2005, the knighthood was made substantive on October 11 that year, allowing him to use the style "Sir".' → 'In 2005, Wogan was awarded an honorary knighthood in the Queen's Birthday Honours, but, as a result of becoming a British citizen that year, the knighthood was made substantive on October 11, 2005, allowing him to use the style "Sir".'
  • Note changes: wikify Queen's Birthday Honours and change date format.
• Change "He was made an honorary Officer of the Order ([[British_honours_system|OBE]]) in 1997" to "He was made an honorary Officer of the [[Order of the British Empire]] (OBE) in 1997".

References in Popular culture

• Change the heading to "References in popular culture".
• First paragraph:
  • First sentence needs references.
  • Remove period (full stop) after quotation mark at end of last sentence.
• Second paragraph:
  • Italicize "Divine Madness".
  • This also needs a reference as the Wiki-article for Divine Madness doesn't mention a second disk or any song entitled "Terry Wogan Jingle".

Yep - that's because it's the wrong album - will fix later --Fritzpoll 08:12, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

• Third paragraph:
  • Comma after "1991 film".
  • Italicize "The Commitments".
  • 'One for the Road.' → "One for the Road". (Full quotes, italicize.)
  • "The characters in it play a game called 'The Wogan Game' in which they act out interviews from the show pretending to be Wogan." → "In this, the characters play a game called "The Wogan Game" in which they act out interviews from the show, pretending to be Wogan."
  • Reference needed.

References

• 1. <ref>{{cite web | author=[[The Guardian]] | title=Wogan's run | work=[[The Guardian Unlimited]] | date=May 3, 2001 | url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,482085,00.html | accessdate=May 24 | accessyear=2007}}</ref>
• 2. <ref>{{cite web | author=Farrell, Gisella | title=Fifty Years of Eurovision | work=[[The Sun Online]] | date=May 2006 | url=http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,5-2005230373,,00.html | accessdate=May 25 | accessyear=2007}}</ref>
• 3. states "Marilyn Manson" when it should state "Marilyn Mason". Done Needs retrieval date.
• 4. <ref>{{cite web | author=Sheridan, Anne | title=Wogan's message to city | work=Limerick Leader | date=September 8, 2006 | url=http://www.limerickleader.ie/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=3419&ArticleID=1752799 | accessdate=May 24 | accessyear=2007}}</ref>
• 5. <ref>{{cite web | author=Ingoldsby, Padraig | title=List of Old Belvederians who have been honoured as Knights of the realm | work=[[Belvedere College]] Museum | url=http://www.belvederecollege.ie/Museum1.htm#Thefollowing | accessdate=May 24 | accessyear=2007}}</ref>
• 7. <ref>{{cite web | title=Terry's Podcast | work=BBC Radio 2 | url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/wogan/podcast/index.shtml | accessdate=May 24 | accessyear=2007}}</ref>
• 8. <ref>{{cite web | author=Davies, Hugh | title= Wogan is number one in BBC radio rich list | work=[[Telegraph.co.uk]] | date=April 19, 2006 | url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=UN3LQICR5VMGPQFIQMGCFGGAVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2006/04/19/nradio19.xml | accessdate=May 24 | accessyear=2007}}</ref>
• 9. <ref>{{cite web | author=O'Carroll, Lisa, Deans, Jason, and Day, Julia | title=TV stars: why we crossed BBC picket line | work=[[Guardian Unlimited]] | date=May 23, 2005 | url=http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1490230,00.html?gusrc=rss | accessdate=May 24 | accessyear=2007}}</ref>  Done
• Subsequent references need to be formatted in the same way as those above using the cite web template.

As tasks are completed, strike through the suggestion and place {{done}} at the end.

Overhaul of article

Being back from exams and all, I'm now ready to tackle this a bit more thoroughly, and will be doing some (hopefully extensive) work on it over the next few days. These will mostly concentrate on citations (and removing material that cannot be cited), amending the lead, and copy-editing the text further. Anyone with access to Wogan's Autobiography would be much appreciated, since I think that is where our uncited quotations come from in the main --Fritzpoll 13:53, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see your back to working on this :). Good luck on getting his autobiograpy. I'm busy coordinating WikiProject Biography's Summer 2007 Assessment Drive. Over 25,000 articles have been assessed in the first 15 days :). --Psychless 16:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

What the hell?

I've been trying to read this and it makes no sense at all! We start with mentions of working in a grocers and then suddenly he is returning to radio 2 despite having (in terms of the article's chronology) never been there before. I'm going to read on but I can't see how this made GA. Has it been vandalised?84.92.120.61 (talk) 20:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

It was a ref tag that wasn't closed, which messed up a few sections, as unclosed ref tags often do...Sorted now. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 21:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Succeeded in the Eurovision

Sorry but I'm completely clueless here...exactly, where does it say that Terry is to be succeeded by four relative unknowns as the Eurovision Song Contest Presneter, last time I checked, he was still going strong 84.45.134.188 (talk) 22:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

There is a piece on the BBC website that indicates Wogan is considering abandoning the recurring position due to a disillusionment with the contest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7418940.stm. I expect things will clear up in the coming days, as the post-disaster recuperation begins. --Agamemnon2 (talk) 01:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

And there is no need to rush into speculation; Wikipedia is not a blog or a news service. Let's let the dust settle, please, until we can have some sourced facts. --Rodhullandemu 02:00, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

More about his eventual departure from Eurovision which sparked some wikirage:

Terry Wogan and the Eurovision

07/08/08

[...]

comments on the Telegraph clearly indicate the split thoughts on TW's desire to quit the Eurovision comments. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/05/26/do2603.xml

UKR hmm.. I'm not really familiar with this guy, so when you changed that to mean something completely different, I thought you merely vandalizing the article. My apologies. If you have the cite, than by all means change the article to make it accurate. (see this page for info on how to create a citation for Wikipedia) Again, sorry about that. Thingg⊕⊗ 01:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I should probably have put the citation in the first place. I thought it was important to point out that public and media have a quite different opinion 13:36, 7 June 2008 UKR

• "The public" and "the media" are both pretty huge classes, and trying to summarise the opinions of either is likely to be futile. We are into weasel word territory here and have to rely on "most", "some" or "it has been said" sort of language, none of which can realistically be substantiated and be encyclopedic at the same time. You might say "X..." (who is a well-known critic or analyst) "..has said Y", but then that's just one opinion. Trying to be objective here, what the tabloid press say is not predicated on merit, it is principally intended to sell newspapers and therefore has an ulterior motive; the "quality press" may not be much better, but they're probably not that interested in Eurovision anyway- and if they do care to say anything, it's probably worth hearing for that very reason. What is important here (and that's in relation to IMO much better arguments), is what Wogan himself has been reliably quoted to have said. Anything else is icing on a pretty insubstantial cake. --Rodhullandemu 22:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Nice speech. Unfortunately, I need to apologize again for my lack of precision as you will have to check your reference one more time, until the end..., ie the comments. There lie the referenced sources. Lucky for me Thingg got it right fast enough not to waste my time. Let's hope this will serve as an example for future programs looking for the truth online UKR 86.144.98.155 (talk) 19:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

So basically, the question is, are letters/emails to a newspaper a reliable source? Interesting question! Ged UK (talk) 19:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Ged UK for summarizing the issue so well. What are the options for an anonymous member of the public to make his/her voice heard by others if the "impartial" media do not agree ? The Net used to be the alternative place of choice when established newpapers/broadcasters failed. What about now ? UKR 86.144.98.155 (talk) 20:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

The problem with this as far as satisfying WP:RS is concerned is that it's a self-selecting sample and therefore cannot be assumed to be free of any systematic bias. Therefore, as far as encyclopedic value is concerned, I'd argue it's not far from worthless. You ask a simple question in almost any serious newgroup, and I guarantee you'll get the full range of responses, and that's why newsgroup postings are only regarded as being reliable sources for themselves, as in Godwin's Law. Informal polls on newspaper websites would seem to fall foul of this policy - and it is a policy, not a guideline. --Rodhullandemu 20:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, these days it's blogging i guess. That isn't usually considered a reliable source on wikipedia, unless it's a particularly well known/respected one. I'm going to see if i can find any guidelines on this Ged UK (talk) 20:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

References

Knighthood - honoray or not ...

The current text states that:

"In 2005, Wogan was awarded an honorary knighthood in the Queen's Birthday Honours, but, as a result of becoming a British citizen that year, the knighthood was made substantive on October 11, 2005, allowing him to use the style 'Sir'."

A ref is provided for this, but the link does not work for me. However, since Wogan was born in the 26 counties before 1948 he has always been a British subject and thus there would never have been any need to grant a honorary knighthood or for him to become a British citizen - contrast British citizen with British subject - for it to become substantive (compare and contrast with Bob Geldof, born three years too late, for example). --81.138.239.106 (talk) 22:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Just saw the discussion above. Strange, I guess, but true. --81.138.239.106 (talk) 22:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Band Aged?

Good to see the stuff about Janet & John being sold to benefit Children In Need .... but nothing about the Band Aged album he was involved in (along with other Radio 2 presenters, bands, togs etc), nor the christmas single duetting with Aled Jones on Little Drummer Boy, both for the benefit of said charity? I may add it myself ... though I don't have quite enough info to do it justice right now! 193.63.174.10 (talk) 10:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Chris Moyles

What has Chris Moyles' length on Radio 1 breakfast show got to do with Wogan leaving his own show? This is non-encyclopedic trivia and I propose the Moyles information should be removed. Paul210 (talk) 11:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree. It wasn't even in the reference provided. I jigged the paragraph round a bit, but kept the Moyles stuff in. However, you're right. It has nothing to do with Sir Terry so shouldn't be here. It should perhaps be added to Chris Moyles is someone hasn't already done it. I'll take a look. TheRetroGuy (talk) 11:57, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. TheRetroGuy (talk) 12:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

When Chris Evans takes over the breakfast show, Terry Wogan will have a brand new primetime weekend show on Radio 2

This is out of date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.57.113 (talk) 11:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Children

This article does not appear to reference the Wogans' first daughter, Vanessa, who died shortly after birth. She is mentioned in this article in the Daily Mail. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1237980/Terry-Wogan-The-mics-Right-I-begin-.html

There some other suitable quotes in this article as well, which may be of use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.174.45 (talk) 14:51, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Irish-British

He is Irish,so how can you say he is British?That is being reverted.109.76.114.93 (talk) 14:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

It should probably say that he's a British based Irish broadcaster, as it's in the United Kingdom that he's most well known. TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:39, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

He has dual nationality, hence the two knighthoods. Perfectly valid to describe him as Irish-British. Rodhullandemu 15:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

That is absurd,that would be the same as referring to Pierce Brosnan and Gabriel Byrne as Irish-American,which is absurd as they always have referred to themselves as Irish,just as Terry Wogan has.He always refers to himself as Irish not British.Why do these neo-imperialists insist on such things?109.77.67.61 (talk) 13:51, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Terry was granted joint British and Irish citizenship in 2005 and therefore the description is correct. Bjmullan (talk) 13:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes,that is the description I recently added in the article,it is the most suitable as it is the most accurate.109.78.29.106 (talk) 14:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

It was a little clumsy looking, but an editor removed any mention of "British" from the lead which is clearly wrong...and had no consensus for. I restored it, and seriously don't see how it's bias or anything, he has British citizenship, works in British radio, so it's notable. --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 17:56, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Τασουλα your edit was correct. However I couldn't say the same for your edit summary. Please WP:AGF. Bjmullan (talk) 17:59, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree, and take it, and it also seems a POV pusher didn't make the edit, and it in fact was good faith edit. Thank you. --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 13:37, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Please watch this article.

Earlier today, 3 revisions of this page had to be revdel'd because an IP noted on the page that Sir Terry had died. Please keep an eye on it in case anyone else tries the same thing. Thanks. No More April Fools. 16:44, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Probably a bad taste April Fool's joke I should imagine, as you seem to note in your signature. Should all die down (unfortunate choice of phrase) by tomorrow.. TheRetroGuy (talk) 16:55, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

comment about 2001 hosts

referring to the hosts of the 2001 contest in Denmark, Søren Pilmark and Natasja Crone Back, as "Doctor Death and the Little Mermaid"

To the best of my memory the comment was "Doctor Death and the Tooth Fairy" the latter due to the dress she had on looked like the typical fairy on the top of the christmas tree style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.126.176 (talk) 23:15, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

OK.

Can it PLEASE be said right here, right now, that the "country" part in the info-box has NOTHING to do with Terry Wogan's identity OR nationality, it is about what country he WORKS in and serves in his radio broadcasting. He is primarily known for his work in GBR but has done work in Ireland too. DAMN IT. IT ISN'T CONTROVERSIAL AT ALL. *Fumes*. --Τασουλα (talk) 18:34, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Request for alteration, References in Popular Culture

[newbie alert] Okay, so I think the deal is I ask here for a change, given I'm the 'Ewan Spence' mentioned as the puppeteer behind the Terry Vision character references here. The article linked here does have the name wrong, it's Terry Vision, not Terryvision (although online links tend to be to Terry Eurovision as the domain name was free). Given he is my creation, pretty sure I know the name, but this is wikipedia, so citations are as follows... Terry interviewed by the official Eurovision Song Contest website http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=terry_returns_to_eurovision Eurovision News article http://eurovisiontimes.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/the-real-star-of-eurovision-2012-terry-vision/ His website, www.terryeurovision.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by EwanSpence (talk • contribs) 23:28, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Leaving Children in Need?

I don't know where this idea that Terry is leaving Children in Need has come from, I can't find any evidence that it is true. He certainly hasn't mentioned it on his radio show or in any recent interviews. In fact he's very often reiterated the opposite - that the only time he'll stop doing Children in Need is when his health or age eventually prevents him from doing so. Unless reliable sources can be referenced, please don't change it. Aw16 (talk) 14:44, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Terry Wogan/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Rated as low-importance for WikiProject Ireland, because very little of his notable career was in Ireland. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

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