Talk:Texas Roller Derby

Why go with "TXRD" as the name?

The league's name is TXRD Lonestar Rollergirls. Naming the page that and then redirecting from TXRD makes a lot more sense to me. TimBRoy (talk) 21:33, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Agreed; I've moved the page. - Fullobeans (talk) 23:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Because the vast majority of people searching for TXRD and TXRD lonestar Rollergirls actually only use TXRD. A loarge number of people do not even know there is such a thing as Lonestar Rollergirls. This is due in part by the 9 years of confusion between Texas Rollergirls and Lonestar Rollergirls which are very different companies and sports. TXRD is the default term to differentiate. 129.116.85.17 (talk) 16:36, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Improving the quality of this article.

It's nice to see that there's finally a TXRD article (that hopefully won't go down in flames). Posting one single reference for the entire article is kind of vague. TXRD is a very well-documented league. Surely there's some sources you can cite for individual bits of information included in the article?

Some of the stuff in the article seems like original research. You may know that the league's athleticism has picked up over the years and that the fights aren't scripted. That's not good enough for Wikipedia. If it's true, it's been reported upon by a reliable source. Find some of those and cite them. Some of it seems a bit promotional and expresses some POV.

Else you are likely to find one of those editors who thinks no derby league is worthy of an article that sticks around who will use this stuff as a reason to get this article gone. TimBRoy (talk) 22:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

So get in there and add collaborate! I've added fact tags to those statements which are most in need of a reliable source, and changed some wording which was peacocky looked to be a potential copyright violation. All told, though, this is a pretty remarkable first article for Aclestis. It establishes notability, takes an appropriate tone, and should be easy enough to find sources for. I don't think there's any risk of it getting deleted. - Fullobeans (talk) 00:24, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I have been working on it and trying to track down the right sources for everything. It is being worked on. A lot of the facts are unpublished and I'm trying to find a place that might work. In some academic circles a pamphlet is citable, but I'm wondering if a game program citing rules (that are not published anywhere else because only TXRD play's this type of rollerderby, eg not WFTDA) and penalties would be sufficient. 129.116.85.17 (talk) 16:39, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh and I agree about the wording about the athleticism. It's difficult to find citable sources for something like this, but it is part of a continuing conversation in the derby community which specifically avoids naming leagues that don't move with the dominant trend. Working on it. 129.116.85.17 (talk) 16:48, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

My two cents would be that a game program, as long as it's cited properly and includes a date (since rules may change over time), satisfies WP:RS as far as rules and regulations are concerned. Since a game program is published by the league or its affiliates shortly prior to a bout, it's actually probably the most authoritative source on the rules the league plays by; newspaper reporters and their ilk often garble that sort of information, or else lift it directly from literature they were handed by the league, such as, oh, game programs. On the flip side, a game program would not be an ideal source for most other information. The people who write the programs are required to know what's going on with the league at the present time, but they may not be up to date with what's going on in the sport nationwide, they may not have accurate information about the league's history, and they're not required to remain neutral in their reporting or to fact-check their information. But for rules, penalties, etc., yes, I'd say a program is a fine source, though others may disagree. - Fullobeans (talk) 01:31, 20 February 2010 (UTC)