Talk:Thank God I Found You/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 19:34, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

• Lead info

1. → "through Columbia Records"
2. → "US Billboard Hot 100"
3. "single there until" → "single until"
4. "performing the song live" Does the music video not feature the studio vocals then?
5. "in an outdoor concert" → "at an outdoor concert". You can't in outside lol.

All done. Novice7 (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

• Background and recording

1. "Carey and her husband and Sony CEO Tommy Mottola separated in 1997." Doesn't flow, re-write. "Carey and her husband, Tommy Mottola, who was a Sony CEO, separated in 1997"
2. "Carey and her husband and Sony CEO Tommy Mottola separated in 1997. This resulted in a strained relationship with Sony. By the spring of 1999, Carey had begun work on her last album of her contract with Columbia Records, titled Rainbow. Her relationship with Sony had affected her collaboration with writing partner Walter Afanasieff, who had worked with her throughout the first half of her career.[2]" WP:OR Find other/more sources, I can't view that source.
3. "As a result, she worked extensively with many other songwriters and producers for the album, including the duo Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, known for their work with Janet Jackson. "Thank God I Found You" was written by Jam and Lewis and co-written by Carey. When Jam and Lewis first started working with Carey, they did not have a definite idea of what Carey expected from them.[3] In an interview with Fred Bronson, Jam and Lewis explained:

"It wasn't like Janet [Jackson], where we all grew up together. Mariah had done her own thing and had been very involved with the arranging and production of her records, so we respected that and said, 'What can we do for you?' She would fly into town for five or six hours. She'd get on a plane and fly to whatever was the next thing she was doing."[3] One night, Jam and Lewis received a call from Carey's assistant telling them that Carey had an idea for a song. She asked them to meet her at the studio later that night,[3] and when they arrived, Carey sang the song's melody for them. Normally when Carey was composing songs, James "Big Jim" Wright would play the chords.[3] He was not present at the studio that night, so Lewis played the chords for Carey. After composing the melody, Carey recorded her vocals. When Carey requested male singers to sing along with her on the track, Jam and Lewis recruited R&B singer Joe.[3] Although Jam and Lewis wanted to feature K-Ci & JoJo on the song, they dropped the idea because they are signed to a different record label.[3]" WP:OR "..." That's a lot of info for me not to be able to verify. Block quotes don't need quotation marks.

It is a book source (Billboard Book), it's okay to use it. I have removed the quotation marks and fixed the sentences. Novice7 (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

• Composition

1. "was produced by Jam and Lewis, and co-produced by Carey" ? → "was co-produced by Carey, Jam and Lewis". Include Jam and Lewis' full names here.
2. Remove the [3] source near the end of the paragraph, [13] by itself will suffice.

Number one is done. As for number two, I think the source should stay as it is a very important information.

• Critical Response

1. You've written "mostly negative reviews", but you have included 7 positive and 5 negative. I think you should re-write to say "received mixed reviews". Amend this in the Lead as well.

Done. But, I was told before that x positive reviews and y negative reviews (x greater than y) does not make it a mixed review. Should I change it to mostly positive or something?? Novice7 (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

• Chart Performance

1. When was it certified Gold? If it is after Feb 2001, as that is when you say it had sold over 700,000, move the certification to after 'Feb 2001'.
2. "In Australia, it entered the Australian Singles Chart at its peak of number twenty-seven, on the week dated March 12, 2000.[50] The next week it dropped to number forty-seven.[50] In New Zealand, it debuted on the singles chart at a position of number thirty-four, the week dated April 2, 2000.[51] The song went down to number thirty-five next week, before dropping to number forty-four.[51] In Europe, "Thank God I Found You" charted in a few countries. In the United Kingdom, "Thank God I Found You" debuted and peaked at number ten on the UK Singles Chart on the week dated March 11, 2000.[52][53] The single stayed on the chart for ten weeks, including one re-entry at number seventy-one on the week dated May 20, 2000.[53] In the Flanders region of Belgium, the song debuted at number forty-seven and peaked at thirty-six.[54] In the Wallonia region, it debuted at number thirty-five and peaked at number twenty-three three weeks after its debut.[55] In France, the single entered the singles chart at number thirty-one, the week dated March 4, 2000.[56] The next week it ascended to its peak of number twenty-eight.[56] It stayed on the chart for fifteen weeks.[56] In Netherlands, "Thank God I Found You" entered the Single Top 100 at number fifty-five, before peaking at number twenty-three the next week.[57] "Thank God I Found You" peaked at number twenty-eight in Germany,[58] forty-three in Sweden,[59] thirty-one in Ireland,[60] and at number seventeen in Switzerland.[61]" You write "Thank God I Found You" (underlined above) twice too close together near the start and the same again near the end, using "the single " in the middle. Try not to repeat yourself too close together, whenever you write "Thank God I Found You", use "the song" next, then "the single", then go back to "Thank God I Found You" to avoid being repetitive. It makes it less tiresome to keep on reading "Thank God I Found You".
3. Remove the picture of Joe, fails rationale. Description and picture bare no relation to the article. What is he performing? No mention of him (presumably) performing the song in the live performance section.

Done. The image is free for use, so I don't think it would need a rationale. I have removed it though. Novice7 (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

• Music video

1. "The video opens with scenes of Carey and Joe in the studio. Carey is with her puppy and talking on a mobile phone. The video shows saturated blue skies and behind-the-scenes footage of Carey carousing with her dog Jack and writing lyrics on a notepad. As the song starts, Carey is shown lying on red sofa, writing the lyrics on the notepad. Then she performs the song on the stage, joined by Joe and 98 Degrees." WP:OR
2. It's quite a small section. Could the description (with sources) not be expanded more? Are there anymore reviews of the video? What about the remix video, can you find any more info about the description and reviews about that one?

Music video synopsis does not need a source, actually. I'll search for more reviews. Novice7 (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Searched. Could not find any :( Novice7 (talk) 04:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

• Live performances

1. "Later on in the show, she was honored with the "Award of Achievement".[71]" Award of achievement for what? What does it represent?
2. "Carey performed the song on several several European programs including Top of the Pops and Friday Night's All Wright in the United Kingdom, NRJ and Soulier d'Or in France, Wetten, dass..? in Germany and Quelli che... il Calcio in Italy.[68]" WP:OR Find individual website sources for these performances on the web and remove the author source once done.
3. "Aside from the several televised and the award show performance, Carey included the song on the set-list of her concert tours, starting with the Rainbow World Tour. During the tour, Trey Lorenz, her only male background singer, replaced Joe as the song's main male vocalist.[72] At the show at Madison Square Garden on April 11, 2000, Carey wore a long orange cocktail gown with a long cascading neck line. Lorenz, wearing a black leather sports jacket and matching pants, made another featured appearance on the tour, performing his song "Make You Happy" during an interval of costume changes following the performance.[72] Following the release of her tenth studio effort The Emancipation of Mimi in 2005, Carey embarked on the The Adventures of Mimi Tour in mid 2006.[73] On several stops of the tour, Carey performed the song as part of the set-list, usually towards the end of the show. Similar to the Rainbow World Tour, Lorenz performed the song alongside Carey instead of Joe.[73] Carey, wearing a midsection-baring turquoise evening gown, introduced the song to the audience by telling of its conception, concept and featured artists, followed by a performance of the song's remix.[73]" WP:OR, again, Find individual website sources for these performances. As I've said before, I can't check any of this with those authored sources which don't lead me to the source.
4. Video still: I don't think this meets rationale. It's just Mariah standing on stage. Date for TAOM tour? Caption is not detailed enough, click here.

I'm not that good with captions, so I'll let Nathan do this. Removed a few performances, but as I said before, it's a book source. Award of Achievement details added. Novice7 (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

You don't need to remove TOTPs or Wetten...dass? etc., but find a few website sources to limit the dependency of those book sources, so readers can easily access the info if they want to. (I often like to read about the live performances). Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 17:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

• References

1. Couple of problematic links

Fixed them. Novice7 (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm in a predicament as to whether or not I should put this article on hold or fail it. It's not as bad as the Anytime You Need a Friend article, and considering this was a co-nomination, you should both be able to easily sort out the problems listed above over the next 7 days. I'll put it on hold (only because I've failed you once already today). Ask me on my user talk page of any questions you have about my comments. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:52, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. Please do let me know if there are more issues with the article. Novice7 (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah those book sources, I'm not saying that those authors didn't write the info, but it was only because I can't check it that I raised those issues. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 17:01, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Calvin, in no offense, I notice you really don't quite understand several rules for GA articles, and are failing without proper grounds. Most of the things written here are not problematic. Free images are as described, free. They don't need rationals or any such thing. Also, just because a source is not readily available for you to read does NOT make it unusable. Go to a library and look at the book, so pay for the article on line. Its as simple as that. And Nothing here is original research. Please read and understand what that means. Its if I make conslusions that are unsourced and are my own thinking. Not found buddy.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:50, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Apart from the book sources, have all points been addressed? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 23:53, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I guess so... Novice7 (talk) 04:01, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Passed :). You can add back in TOTP's, Wetten...dass? and the other performances. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 12:17, 8 July 2011 (UTC)