Talk:The Anime Man

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2020

I am Joey's father and would like the following edits made, if you wish to contact me then please do so — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.232.202 (talk) 22:49, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Please change this... Joseph Bizinger was born in Australia on 28 September 1994, To this ... Joseph Tetsuro Bizinger was born in Sydney Australia on the 28th September 1994,

Please change this... He went to an international school in Sydney for some time during elementary school, but his parents moved him to the public school system after being dissatisfied with the quality of education it was providing, but he still attended a Japanese school on Saturdays to keep learning the language. To this ... He attended the Sydney Japanese School in Terry Hills, a suburb of Sydney, until the end of fourth grade. His parents were dissatisfied with the management at the Japanese school, so they moved him to Allambie Heights Public School instead, as it was local school to his area. They then enrolled him in Saturday morning Japanese school so as to ensure his Japanese language classes continued.

Please change this... After graduating from Sydney University in 2016, To this ... After graduating from Sydney University in 2016 with a degree in Computer Design Technology, 220.239.232.202 (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:25, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft for Trash Taste

Draft:Trash Taste Dkc195 (talk) 16:58, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

• I don't really think that podcast is notable enough for an article quite yet. ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 17:32, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Trash Taste article is now live. Done! --WashuOtaku (talk) 01:17, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

VI?

Per his Twitter (https://twitter.com/thean1meman/status/1230170303906533381), he is the sixth Joseph in a direct male line, BUT- if his legal name is "Joseph Tetsuro Bizinger", he wouldn't be "Joseph Tetsuro Bizinger VI", because his "Australian father of German and Hungarian descent" is nearly 100% guaranteed not to have the middle name "Tetsuro", not being Japanese. The "Tetsuro" undoubtedly derives from his Japanese mother's heritage. Note his father's comment above names his son as "Joseph Tetsuro Bizinger"; there's also no reliable source cited for the "VI", and from what comes up, the only real verification is his own tweet, which doesn't outright state "Joseph Tetsuro Bizinger VI", and even if it did, per the above, it wouldn't actually mean that was really his name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.209.235 (talk) 03:14, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Regarding cleanup

Joey himself made a video on his personal channel where he went over his page. He pointed out that some facts on the page are dubiously sourced (and that his early life section may not be accurate). Most importantly, though, he states that he was confounded by the lack of an image, which I felt needed to be mentioned on this talk page because the image that is on this page right now was marked for speedy deletion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktcFF8ysjZs
— SirYodaJedi (talk) 19:43, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Images of living people must be released under a Creative commons license, you can't just upload any image. If they really want an image on this page, they could take a photo of themselves and post it to Twitter saying "I release this image under (commons license)". Link20XX (talk) 19:47, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

YouTubers pass WP:GNG now? I guess I'm surprised this page exists at all. There's a whole other wiki for YouTubers: https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/The_Anime_Man

He needs to read about reliable sources, which implicitly explains why coverage is all over the place, and not as detailed as he might like (English language Wikipedia is more active, more rules are actually enforced, and more gets deleted for not having proper sources). Careful what you wish for, editors might pick a terrible photo! I suppose I shouldn't be surprised anymore when people don't understand copyright law, even people who earn a living as content creators, but as was said above Wikipedia cannot just use any image, and so he needs to release a suitable image under a Creative commons license (or if he has released any videos under a CC license maybe someone could screencap from that). Assuming the article doesn't get deleted for being insufficiently notable before then. -- 109.78.206.181 (talk) 21:11, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

You have mentioned notability, and just by looking at the article, I can understand your concerns. Most of the sources are from his own YouTube/Spotify/Twitter etc or from his associate's platforms. The rest are convention announcements (not very independent either) or interviews, which are generally considered primary sources. The only one that I would count is This from The Japan Times, but two sources are needed for GNG. Obviously this is just by looking at the article, more sources may exist and just need to be found. Link20XX (talk) 21:30, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

@Link20XX: While there is still room for improvement, I believe we have satisfied multiple issues banner at top and can be removed from the article. --WashuOtaku (talk) 22:12, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

I would say it's okay to remove the tags as well. While discography is still unsourced and it certainly has room for improvement and expansion, the tags no longer really apply. Link20XX (talk) 22:34, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't think this person is sufficiently notable enough to pass WP:GNG but I don't believe in deleting articles either (because an encyclopedia that lists "internet famous" people who are only about as well known as a local DJ is ultimately a better more informative encyclopedia than one that doesn't). So I think it was premature to remove the banner tags,[1] the article definitely relies too heavily on BLP primary sources. (The tag {{more citations}} is true for so many articles but I think it is better to use more specific individual citation needed tags or {{unreferenced section}} tags if editors dispute anything. Joey Bizinger could learn to use the {{Citation needed}} tag too without there being any conflict of interest instead of trying to use a Youtube video to get this page fixed.) I think the tag {{BLP primary sources}} should be restored as the article still relies heavily on primary sources and probably also the tag {{Notability}} should be added.

I don't understand why the line about "participated as a guest at several anime conventions" is still in the article. It seems like a well intentioned but misguided attempt to show notability and the line should be removed entirely.

I'm asking now for this article to be improved so that it is good enough to pass WP:GNG before someone who actually wants to delete the page insists on it. -- 109.76.204.243 (talk) 16:24, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

The article is currently over two years old and has considerable work on it, so no speedy delete is going to happen if some random editor feels it does not meet WP:GNG. There would be discussion by all participating editors and must come to a consensus on the matter; for example, this had happen to Trash Taste. That said, instead of asking for the article to be improved, why not help us to ensure that it is?

The convention information probably should be moved to "Personal life" as it does not have any real bearing on his career. I glossed over a bunch of other bios where they attended conventions and found that 95% do not share that information, but it is a big deal on the convention's article and I do not see the real harm in keeping it in the article since they are all sourced. But I am open to other editors opinion on that. --WashuOtaku (talk) 17:59, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I am generally against listing convention appearances in articles. They don't usually add to their notability and many famous people often attend many conventions. Listing them all would be WP:UNDUE weight in my opinion. Regarding notability, I have given my thoughts above and they still stand. Link20XX (talk) 23:49, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

"why not help us to ensure that it is?" I already said I don't believe it is actually notable and I meant it. I find their podcasts mildly entertaining and they all seem like interesting people but that doesn't mean I think it amounts to significant coverage by reliable secondary sources or that it needs a Wikipedia article. I'm not going to look for things I don't think can be found, but that doesn't mean I don't hope others can improve this article. It has already improved significantly so now at least everything seems to be verifiable but that doesn't make it noteworthy. He said it himself at the start of his video that he was surprised the page exists at all, he's not wrong. I'm politely warning in that this article needs more work to meet the standards that are usually required and as such the warning tags should remain/be reinstated on the article. As you said that one article from The_Japan_Times is a good start and maybe others more interested in the topic could still improve it with newsworthy/noteworthy things that Joey has done, or maybe not. It is okay to like something and for it not to have a Wikipedia page. Also I already did make a specific suggestion to improve the article ... by deleting the line about being a guest at conventions (and I've seen it in other articles too but that doesn't make it good, it resembles resumé padding not biographical encyclopedia article), I can repeat the suggestion again as a {{Edit semi-protected}} request if you really want. -- 109.76.204.243 (talk) 00:06, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

What is notable is relative and I do appreciate you sharing your concerns regarding the article. For me, I believe the Anime Man is notable to warrant a wiki article and hopefully it will be improved upon further by other editors that share the same opinion. In regards to the conventions, both you and Link20XX make valid arguments, so I will make the edit changes on it (sorry Finns). --WashuOtaku (talk) 01:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

I notice there have been a few images taken down now. At what point will an editor with the proper permissions have to consider protecting this page at least temporarily, until things cool down? I mean, this article also was highlighted in a video watched over 50,000 times as of my typing this. You guys doing the job of reverting all those rule-breaking edits have your work cut out for you. If I ever get beyond infrequent bouts of copyediting, I think I might be wise to stay away from editing celebrity pages like this one I’m just passing by tonight… Goddale120 (talk) 00:22, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

I made a protection request at WP:RFP over 12 hours ago. Waiting for an admin to respond. Link20XX (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

The protection finally arrived, so that should calm things down. If people want pictures on Wikipedia, they must follow the Wikimedia Commons copyright rules, which means images must come from either media that has Creative Commons license, as was the case for Akidearest; or the image uploaded onto Commons has the copyright owner's permission, that can be a confirmation by them or they uploaded their own images and also gave permission (here is an example of an image I uploaded). At this time, I counted 12 images uploaded in Commons for 'the Anime Man' or 'Bizinger,' all of which have also been flagged because of copyright and are to be deleted unless the copyright owner approves the image(s) or the uploader provides it if theirs. I realize how frustrating this is for many people that are just trying to help, but all you can do is reach back out to the Anime Man and let him know why images are not appearing on the article. On the positive, this article is finally getting exposure. --WashuOtaku (talk) 05:52, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

I have sent Joey and email about it, giving him instructions on how to make a wikipedia account and upload an image himself, Hopefully it works. The Golden Viatori (talk) 13:37, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

• Joeytheanimeman.webp

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 19:52, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Guys, we need a copyright free image of the Anime Man, please do not rip stuff from the internet and believe the job is done. --WashuOtaku (talk) 20:29, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Also it would be better for an encyclopedia to have an image that clearly shows his face and is not obscured by large dark sunglasses, but that image seems like copyright violation anyway. -- 109.78.206.181 (talk) 21:18, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 January 2022

Add about the Finnish convention in the convention part O.PYT07 (talk) 06:10, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Animecon is still listed as is its references, we are not leaving Finland out. --WashuOtaku (talk) 06:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Acquaintance with Shu Uchida.

Please add the information about Joey's acquaintance with the voice actress Shu Uchida and her sister when they were attending a Saturday school, as mentioned in Trash Taste Podcast Episode featuring Shu Uchida (link) 49.144.7.1 (talk) 09:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

I am not sure what the ask is here. Could you expand on this? --WashuOtaku (talk) 14:08, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Joey and Shu being acquaintances is not relevant, sorry. --WashuOtaku (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 January 2022 (2)

Add the picture below onto the page as there is no photo: The-Anime-man_Social-Media-Personality -- 2A02:C7F:2C17:D200:7822:524D:77B5:A0AF (talk) 10:27, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: This file has unresolved copyright issues on its File page. This photo appears at https://biographygist.com/the-anime-man/ and probably other places. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

I have created a category in Commons for the Anime Man and placed all recently uploaded images there. At this time all images recently submitted have copyright/permission issues and thus cannot be used until resolved. --WashuOtaku (talk) 14:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 January 2022

The Anime Man
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Joseph_Bizinger.jpg/216px-Joseph_Bizinger.jpg

Majling (talk) 01:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 January 2022 (2)

please change no picture to a picture of Joey(the anime man) Marion the ladybug (talk) 21:38, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

See the notice at the top of the talk page. Link20XX (talk) 22:39, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 January 2022

Place an Image in the image slot, preferable a decent image. 2001:569:74C3:9500:41A8:AD14:E746:61EC (talk) 10:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: If you have one in mind that meets Wikipedia:Image use policy, by all means upload it and link to it here. Cannolis (talk) 10:51, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 January 2022 (2)

Typo: Change twitch followers (infobox) from "354k thousand" to "354 thousand" or simply "354k". This man was complaining about his wikipedia page in his latest video, let's not make it worse for him haha. ZaidhaanH (talk) 15:58, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2022

90.147.76.27 (talk) 14:25, 20 January 2022 (UTC) add a profile picture

Not done for now: Please read the top of the page. If you have an image that meets Wikipedia's copyright guidelines (WP:IMAGEPOL), please feel free to post/link it here. 0qd (talk) 14:30, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 January 2022

„Please ad a picture to this wikipedia page, because in one of his videos he requested to have a picture of himself on his wikipediapage. „ 2A02:3033:402:4DCE:55D7:B517:EAEE:181F (talk) 19:08, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Please provide an image with an acceptable license. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:21, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Associated acts edit war

An edit war has seemingly started between myself and User:Washuotaku about including The Anime Man's partner Agnes Diego aka Akidearest under associated acts or not. I am of the opinion that due to Akidearest's article's infobox listing this article both under partner (as Joey Bizinger) and under associated acts (as The Anime Man), which to me makes complete sense since they are both partners and they also are associated with eachothers content creation, this article's infobox should reflect that. Washuotaku has determined that to be so wrong that not only have they undone my edits twice, they have edited the Akidearest article to reflect how they think the infobox for this article should be formulated. I vehemently disagree, as giving the info of someone being someone's partner doesn't also tell the reader that they are associated acts within eachothers content creation, and making edits to exclude that information from the article not helpful. Ifrit (Talk) 05:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

It is understood that a partner or spouse would also be an associate. So the duplication in the infobox of having them as both partner and associated is just repetitive and not necessary. The article also discusses as such of their relationship and collaborations. --WashuOtaku (talk) 14:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)