Talk:The Cascades (band)

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I am Yukon Jack - the webmaster of Destination Doo-Wop. I wrote the article on the Cascades and I am giving permission for it to be added to Wikipedia so the whole world can enjoy it.

I saw your posting. I have sent an email to permissions@wikipedia.org stating that any and all of the group histories from Destination Doo-Wop may be posted on Wikipedia. Sorry for causing any problems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yukonjack (talk • contribs) 21:27, August 7, 2006

I understand - I will hold off posting my group histories until the permissions email is confirmed. I understand about copyright problems and I appreciate your concern. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.24.174 (talk) 21:40, August 7, 2006

Any idea how long it takes for a copyright permission to get approved? I submitted it 24 hours ago. I just want to make sure that none of the submissions I made have been deleted permanently while awaiting the approval.

Yukon Jack destinationdoowop@yahoo.com www.destinationdoowop.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yukonjack (talk • contribs) 19:19, August 8, 2006

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why is the disclaimer necessary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.8.134.232 (talk) 13:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:06, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Not a dictionary

There are way too many frivolous hyperlinks (eg. 'song', 'album', 'bassist' etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.107.205 (talk) 01:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was per 70.24. ... , in ictu oculi, and andrewa, retaining the disambiguation page. Per Tony1 and Powers, moving the band from primary topic.

The Cascades → The Cascades (band) – I propose making "The Cascades" a redirect to "Cascade Range". I surmise that most people who search for "The Cascades" are looking for the mountain range and not the band, the page views certainly suggest that. Hoops gza (talk) 23:38, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

• Semi-support I support renaming the band, but the subsequent redirect should point to the disambiguation page Cascades (disambiguation). -- 70.24.248.246 (talk) 05:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
• Semi-support I also support renaming the band, but think there's too much on Cascades (disambiguation). In ictu oculi (talk) 11:07, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. We use parenthetical disambiguation only when "natural disambiguation is not possible", per WP:PRECISION. As long as the lemma is not required for something else, this subject should be titled under its actual name. If you google "The Cascades" -wikipedia, the results also mostly about banks and apartment complexes. The top result that is about something encyclopedic refers to a waterfall in Virginia that we don't have an article about. So there is no basis to say that the mountain range is primary. Kauffner (talk) 17:07, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per Kauffners assessment. Since "Cascade Range" isn't clearly the primary topic of "The Cascades", nor is it likely anything else on the DAB page, it would make little sense to redirect to the DAB. If that is the case (that The Cascades = Cascades DAB) then why move the band itself? Tiggerjay (talk) 19:07, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Therefore this band is not the primary topic either, so should be disambiguated, and the current title point to a disambiguation page, per Kauffner's results. -- 70.24.248.246 (talk) 22:25, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
    • On what basis can the DAB claim to be primary? I don't think I've ever used a DAB myself. If they were all deleted, would anything of value be lost? An encyclopedia is supposed to be about the articles. Kauffner (talk) 23:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
      • DAB means that there is no primary, that's when DABs come first, when nothing is primary. -- 70.24.248.246 (talk) 03:14, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
• Support—for our readers' sake. Please avoid confusing minimalism in naming. Tony (talk) 07:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
• Support; "The Cascades" is Cascade Range, not a one-hit wonder band from fifty years ago. Powers ^T 01:53, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
• Semi-support. The band article should move but the undisambiguated name should either be or redirect to the DAB page. This is a very common name for a geographical feature, see [1] for my local usage, [2] for another a bit more famous and still within an easy day's drive of me, and the Murrindindi Cascades are of course known in their locality as the Cascades. And the Cascade Range isn't even at a disambiguated version of this name. In order to be considered the primary meaning, the Cascade Range would need to be more likely than all other meanings taken together, and this is most unlikely to ever be the case. Andrewa (talk) 18:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

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Rhythm of the Rain: Who played the keyboards?

The musicians mentioned are Hal Blaine (drums), Carol Kaye (bass guitar) and Glen Campbell (guitar), all of whom were members of the Wrecking Crew, but the song prominently features a celesta throughout, as well as a solo played on what sounds like some kind of electronic organ. With instrumentation by the Wrecking Crew, I'd imagine it would be Leon Russell, Al De Lory, Don Randi, Mike Melvoin, Michel Rubini or maybe an unknown keyboardist. Maybe if someone could find a reliable source, wouldn't it be a good idea to edit the article so that it mentions who it was?--2601:153:800:8308:3813:9EF8:FA5A:C703 (talk) 06:50, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Until I can find a source, I think I'll just safely say that it was the song's arranger, Perry Botkin Jr., who played the keyboards. He's also a composer, so I'd imagine that piano/keyboards would be his main instrument(s), as virtually all composers play such instruments. But to save other editors from having to say it, that claim is original research on my part--2601:153:800:8308:3813:9EF8:FA5A:C703 (talk) 03:47, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it was Leon Russell, because he was the principal keyboardist of that band. It may be original research, but the whole list appears to be unsourced, so I'm just gonna go ahead and make that change.--2601:153:900:43F0:4030:5257:78E8:CB2E (talk) 04:15, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

The main source is here - now added to the article - which does not mention Russell. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:30, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Referring to the source, it looks like it's never been confirmed who it was. It could have been anyone from Guommoe (ostensibly a multi-instrumentalist) to Szabo (regular Cascades keyboardist) to Botkin (the song's arranger) so, I'd imagine it was likely one of those three (presumably Szabo) and to save you and everyone else from saying it, that claim is original research on my part, which I know can't be added to Wikipedia. But yes, it looks like it's never been confirmed who it was.--2601:153:900:43F0:4030:5257:78E8:CB2E (talk) 13:16, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

This is what Gummoe says: "Barry De Vorzon... brought our demo to Perry Botkin Jr. for a truly incredible arrangement. Perry's celeste figures in "Rhythm of the Rain" were so catchy and gave my song a real identity. Barry then took us into the legendary Gold Star Studios, along with the best studio cats that Hollywood had to offer and produced what we all know now to be one of the greatest classic pop sounds of Pre-Beatles pop/rock." (source). That doesn't quite say that Botkin played celesta on the final record, but very nearly does. This source says: "Soon there would be a truly classic Botkin moment in this type of vocal music on the Cascades' hit "Rhythm of the Rain," nothing other than the unforgettably charmingly chiming celeste part..." Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:28, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

PS: Botkin himself seems to claim to be only the arranger, not the performer - here. But, you could ask him! (Or here). Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:46, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Sweet America

The entry for this song in the RPM charts indicates this release is by a Canadian band, not a US band. Note the MAPL icon. [3] AMCKen (talk) 02:14, 10 September 2021 (UTC)