Talk:The Changing of Times

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I think the theme running through the album should be noted here. This IS a concept album. The first song begins with the sun going down and the rest of the album is that night/daybreak the narrator is thinking about girlfriend, Adirenne, who he writes a letter to earlier in the night. The changing of times is 12:00, from one day to the next. 8:14 the sun comes back up. Avenged Evanfold 20:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Genre

This album is more than metalcore, I really think there is some Post hardcore and rock in it, like i wouldnt call "Alone in december" or "When the sun sleeps" metalcore —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.65.47 (talk) 21:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I note the Exclaim review mentions the word "noise", but there is no indication whatsoever that this band has played within the noise genre. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 17:58, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Full quote reads "Underoath's The Changing of Times is an eclectic and engaging mix of metal, hardcore, noise, emo and indie-rock, excellently constructed, produced and presented." All of the other terms are genre descriptors, why would a non-genre descriptor be stuck right in the middle of them?--¿3family6 _contribs 23:35, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, your major issue there would be the ambiguity. Is it being described as noise rock (possible, but a stretch) or noise (really very unlikely indeed)? You have no way of telling from that quotation. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 10:48, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

As an aside, it always looks suspect if you've got six different genres for a single album release; it flies in the face of " Aim for generality (e.g. Hip hop rather than East Coast hip hop)." Blackmetalbaz (talk) 11:11, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

That I agree with. The problem is that there is no "style" section to discuss the musical style and genres that the album uses.--¿3family6 _contribs 11:41, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. Some such section would be ideal. Something be sortable from the list of reviews we have. A review that just lists five different styles is clearly weak though, particularly when there is potential ambiguity. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

A brief look at the first review (Allmusic) shows that they list arena rock and modern rock as well, further muddying the water. Some kind of combination between arena rock and noise music might be entertaining, but I doubt that this album is it ;-) Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:25, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

In fact, the list of genres contained within the reviews currently listed runs to: "melodic metal", screamo, metalcore, pop music, heavy metal, arena rock, modern rock, hardcore punk, indie rock, emo, black metal, grindcore, death metal, electro-pop, noise (ambiguous), "blackcore", "black emocore"... I may have missed some, but there's clearly an issue here. This isn't even an album that is particularly notable for genre-crossing. I have flagged issues with some of these sites before, and to be honest have lost track of where we were with consensus. I do note however that I did not spot "post-hardcore", even though it is listed in the article. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:39, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I will note that 1) Underoath is noted for experimentation, 2) some of these terms are parallels/comparisons, describing other periods of the band's sound, or used for a single song, and 3) most of the other terms are certain stylistic elements describing use of a particular instrument or vocal technique. That's why the only styles that I added from the Exclaim! article are from the quote that I added above, as that seems to be describing the entire album style, not just certain elements. I don't see post-hardcore anywhere either, I think it may have been slipped in somewhere.--¿3family6 _contribs 16:10, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Corey Steger songs reference

I was wondering what I need to do to verify that I am the correct source. I could start with fellow members of Underoath, maybe phone numbers. Its needs to be validated I understand. I welcome you to speak to me in person as well. Let me know... Corey Steger — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toxicwaltz777 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Your word is good enough for me, but not for Wikipedia. You will need to provide a reliable source, or at least one that is verifiable. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:38, 24 January 2013 (UTC)