Talk:The Cloud (hill)

Peak District

I lived in Cheshire for much of my life and frequented both The Cloud and the Peak District but never considered The Cloud (or 'Bosley Cloud' or 'Congleton Cloud' as it's often referred to) as being in the Peak District, as the title of this article suggests. Had it been wholly in one county or the other then I'm sure it would have been titled 'The Cloud (Cheshire)' or 'The Cloud (Staffordshire)' or similar. I would advocate it being re-named 'The Cloud, Congleton' myself. Anyone else care to comment? cheers Geopersona (talk) 19:32, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Whilst it isn't officially in the Peak District it is in that general area and the fotthills of the Pennines / Peak District. Whilst I see it as Congleton's hill really it would be unfair to label it as such. Kentynet (talk) 15:20, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Prompted by the short description edit, I come back to this a decade later, it's close but it's still not in the Peak District; it's the wrong side of the A523 and the tract of lower ground largely followed by that road. Geopersona (talk) 17:10, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I suppose you could argue that it is the wrong side of the road though personally I just see the road as a road and a human-made object in the landscape and not really a barrier, it's essentially the same area. The landscape and people on either side of the road don't differ any.

But then at the same time you could as easily say that the "Peak District" is just a human-designated area which is really the southern end of the Pennines and if we went by such loose descriptions it could easily extend more towards Stoke-on-Trent. But the "Peak District" didn't really exist until it was made a national park, it is just an invented region which is in reality the southernmost Pennines.

So yes, I agree. It shouldn't really be called "Peak District" as it's not in the national park, just near it. Time changes opinions.

Kentynet (talk) 21:30, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't class it as within the Peak District either, but this discussion could all be viewed as unnecessary anyway, as according to the dab page for The Cloud there are no other hills called The Cloud, so it isn't necessary to disambiguate the article based on location - just call it 'The Cloud (hill)' instead. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:34, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I definitely agree that it would be misleading to have Peak District in the title beside The Cloud because the hill does not fall in the National Park or lie in the defined Dark Peak (including South West Peak) or White Peak areas which means that the Peak District title label adds unnecessary confusion for some people and is why I have just boldly renamed this page into The Cloud (hill) as PaleCloudedWhite earlier suggested. That being said, I still would consider The Cloud to at least be part of either the broader Peak region (As I live near the Staffordshire Peak District, the Peak District for me starts from the Churnet Valley and northwards before ending around Marsden/Standedge if we don't count the National Park) or among the outer foothills/fringes of the Peak District/southern Pennines. And so, I think the Category:Mountains and hills of the Peak District on the other hand can remain here even though the page has been renamed. But I must also say that Kentynet's above statement that the Peak District didn't exist as a concept before the National Park was created isn't entirely true because the "Peak" bit at least originated from the Pecsaetan tribe who inhabited the region around the 6th century and I also read in a Peak District book at home that the Peak bit could have also originated from the Old English word "Peac", which around those times referred to hills rather than sharp-pointed peaks (which otherwise are rare in the Peak District). Broman178 (talk) 22:00, 13 January 2023 (UTC)