Talk:The Club of Odd Volumes

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GearedBull,

I believe the title "colophon" for this is incorrect. It is more at a "Club Crest" or a "Club Seal" (despite the nasty double entendre contained therein).

That written, it doesn't jibe with the definition of a Colophon that has been linked to. It does bear a passing resemblance to a "Press Mark" that would sometimes be associated with a Colophon, however, it is not that.

I would respectfully submit that this be renamed a "Club Crest".

HotType918 (talk) 18:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC) HotType918

Hi HotType918, their mark is actually a colophon in the sense of a printer's mark (like Manutius' anchor and dolphin). I am friends with their vice president, have collected several of their books, and know a bit regarding the club's use of the mark. They continue to publish, and use it on title pages and frequently too in a pattern for end papers. It is used much more in this manner than say applied to napkins, invitations, menus, or matchbooks as a club crest might (it isn't). It is primarily used as a printer's mark in the title pages of books and chapbooks. CApitol3 (talk) 21:53, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello CApital3,

Well, you're mixing things up. I appreciate your tangential association with the COV and I can boast a similar association, also collecting COV publications, being friends with a former Clark, and having just attended last Saturday's lunch as a guest being looked at for membership. I am also a member of the Society of Printers, a letterpress designer and printer, and in general practice, after examining the title page in any finer book, immediately gravitate to the colophon at the back for the salient production details.

Be that as it may, a Colophon is a set of words descriptive of the production surrounding a publication. A Colophon is not a printer's device, crest, coat of arms or any other pictorial element as you seek to assert. Correct, a colophon many times contains a mark such as the mark associated with the COV, although if you check the publications in your library, you will likely find that the device is present on the title page rather than in the colophon. (I'll wait while you check. tap tap.)

So, I respectfully maintain that terming the Club Seal, or Crest or Coat of Arms a "Colophon" is incorrect and should be edited appropriately.

HotType918 (talk) 18:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)HotType918

Hey there HotType918. No, I'm mixing nothing up. Wish that I were mixing a Manhattan on this cold day. I am familiar with its meaning as a note on the type, paper, printing, binding, etc. Our own local Houghton Mifflin's American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language definition does include production notes, but also states "A publisher's emblem or trademark placed usually on the title page of a book." In that definition it is a metonym for a printers device, not an ancillary suggestion of a place to place it. The wikipedia article includes its meaning as a printer's mark. Very best wishes on your admission to COV! Our wedding reception was held in the library and larger dining room. A happy memory of a wonderfully unique and real place. Print the proof of possibility! CApitol3 (talk) 22:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

As a member of the COV for not a few years, I would agree with both of you; but . . . clearly, "colophon" is simply incorrect to use as it is. It is a "mark" or a "seal" or whatever you choose to call it. We all (book folks) look for the "colophon" at the back of the book.

This is my first post; I will add more later. Too busy printing from type for books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ascensius (talk • contribs) 17:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

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