Talk:The Corporation (record production team)

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"The Corporation™"? There is no reason to use the ™ mark, it only looks stupid (and I'm quite sure there is no law requiring us to use it). Jon Harald Søby 10:33, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

That's how they spell their name, on every album and single they did for the Jackson 5, with the "™". We respect all manner of other unusual spellings and pucntuations for band names, so that is indeed reason enough for us leave this as is. You're entitled to your opinion about whether or not the name looks "stupid", but opinions don't matter in this case.--FuriousFreddy 02:33, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

But Wikipedia has a guideline that says that we should not use the trademark symbol. --Metropolitan90 21:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

No we don't. If we did, it would be Macy*s and Wal*Mart, but they're not. We also don't honor capitalization; PlayStation 3 and MGM Mirage have been subject to discussion about whether to spell them with ALL CAPS or not. Hbdragon88 02:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

At the point of the last comment, Korn was still at KoЯn, which was my justification for keeping this page at the namespace with the trademark logo. Since it's been moved, I'll go along with it. However, I would like to point out that your arguments are ludicrous: Macy's and Wal*Mart are actual trademarks, "The Corporation™" is the name of a musical ensemble. And anyone wanting to spell "PlayStation" and "MGM Mirage" in all caps is ridiculous (by the way, by spelling "PlayStation" as "PlayStation", we are honoring capitalization). --FuriousFreddy 17:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The guidelines say that CamelCase is a judgment call, and can be done either way. If you see unconventional usages, move them over and cite WP:MOS-TM as the reason. Just because it's used somewhere else does not justify the use of it on another page, because both pages would be violating the guideline. I am not sure what the distinction between trademarks and musicial emsembles is, perhaps if you can elaborate on why you think they deserve separate treatment. The guideline that Metropolitan90 pointed out says this: Do not use the ™ and ® symbols. Hbdragon88 07:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not Furious Freddy, but wanted to leave a comment on this long-dead debate. The distinction is that the likes of Macy's (for example) are actual trademarks, and the ™ symbol is used as a legal signifier that the name is trademarked, rather than part of the actual name - hence it's inappropriate for use in an encylopedia like this, and thus we have the guideline cited. The Corporation's use of ™ is different, though - it's simply an affectation, it was never *actually* registered as a trademark, and it's treated as part of the name (on all record labels, and in all Motown's written material, liner notes, press releases etc - sources which incidentally don't refer to Tamla® or suchlike) rather than a legal indication. A similar analogy would be if I legally changed my name to John Smith™, or Jack! ® Wil-Kin-Son or something - how would the articles about me be titled in those cases? 90.201.136.169 (talk) 14:50, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

The trademark symbol should be mentioned in the article, so I added that. I wrote it like this:

(in Motown material usually written with a trademark symbol; The Corporation™)

without putting the name within quotation marks, because I think the quote mark adjacent to the TM symbol maybe makes it hard to read, and also in the context of "written as ...", the quotation marks could be wrongly understood to be part of the stylisation of the name. Similarly, if writing it as The Corporation™, the italicisation could be wrongly understood to be part of the stylisation of the name. --83.255.59.153 (talk) 20:20, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

... and now I notice that the TM symbol is already mentioned in the History section of the article. --83.255.59.153 (talk) 20:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)