Talk:The Culinary Institute of America at Greystone/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 13:09, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi! I will be reviewing this article. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 13:09, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Lead

• The Greystone campus, located on State Route 29/128 in St. Helena, California, offers associate degrees in culinary arts and in baking and pastry arts, and offers two certificate programs to workers in the culinary industry. This line appears very long. Can this be split?

I'll work on this and get back to you. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Done in the best way I could. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 20:29, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

History

• Can this section be split into two to three subsections? It would look more interesting and make navigation easier.

Not sure how to divide this up, I can't find an easy break. Any advice? ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Tough task. I felt you should be able to do this better being more acquainted with this. Not a must, though. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 06:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Done. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 20:29, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• Can St. Helena, Napa Valley, timber, mortar

...be wikilinked? Sure, done, but timber should be a relatively common word? ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Timber is linked often, but it is not a must either. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 06:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• Because of this, Bourn began Is this Bourn Sr. or Bourn II? Just Bourn would not be consistent.

Ehh, I briefly mention the father, but then mention II again and everything after should clearly be his work; it's all about the son. Most historical narratives follow that logic. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay, we can let it be as it is. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 06:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• hold 2 million gallons We typically keep numbers below 10 in words

Sure thing. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• He sold the building at a low price in that year "in" may be omitted

Okay. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• using the Grystone Cellars wine label Spell error?

Good catch. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• Link National Register of Historic Places as in the lead

K. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• The college intends to open a campus, the Culinary Institute of America at Copia, which will house the CIA's new Food Business School Please mention the year when this was planned, and by which year it is expected to be realized.

They don't release formal dates. They probably have no idea how long it'll take them to renovate the building, hire more staff, set up new curricula, etc. It's a huge undertaking for this relatively small school. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

If there is no info on this, let it be as it is. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 06:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Architecture

• front projection measuring 50 x 20 feet , The projection also includes a 20x20 ft, 8-feet wide. Four-inch iron pipes Can convert templates be used here?

Done. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• Can plate glass, slate, mahogany, parquet be linked?

I think slate and mahogany are common terms. I'll link the rest? ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay, the rest will do. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 06:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

School facilities

• The primary school building ... the Margie Schubert Library. Do not leave this unsourced.

These aren't contestable facts that should require citations. Not everything needs a citation; verifiability just means the ability to be verified; information on Wikipedia needs to be able to be backed up, not that all information needs sources. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I see. The only trouble is that "citation needed" tags might be added, and the GA status may be questioned on grounds of (apparent) lack of verifiability. In my GA review of the article Mrs Beeton's Book of Household Management , I pointed out sections left unsourced for similar reasons. We finally decided to add the book itself as a citation. Can something like this be done in this article? Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 06:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I realized a lot of this is attributable to the tour site I just added as a citation, to the above and below statements in question. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 20:29, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• the Bakery Café by illy Should "illy" not have a capital "I"? This is repeated in "Restaurants".

Perhaps consider talking to MOS folks. The article on illy uses lowercase throughout. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Very well, we can keep it as it is. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 06:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• and open exchange of ideas What exactly does this mean here?

I don't know a better way of phrasing this, but it essentially means the one large kitchen has the advantage that people can see what other classes are going on, which instructors are present, what food will be served that night, who's using which shared appliance, and other important information. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Got it now. Yes, I can not see how to put it better. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 06:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• Farm-to-Table Cooking concentration What does concentration mean here?

It's like a subsection of a major. Linked. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• are about 3⁄4 of a mile from the campus Can we say "0.75" mile and use a convert template?

Done. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• Can we link these?

• rotisseries, granite, convection oven (in Teaching kitchens)

Linked two. Granite should be rather common, no? ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Granite is linked often, it's your choice anyway. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 06:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• Mediterranean cuisine (in Restaurants)

Done. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

• There are some (apparently) unsourced parts in this section:

• and have a variety of cooking appliances, including rotisseries, ...pastry and dough preparation. (in Teaching kitchens)
• On the first floor, the 5,000-square-foot ...campus store and Flavor Bar (in Teaching kitchens)
• and was at first professionally run. (Restaurant)
• Not all points in "Other facilities" are supported by sources.

See above point on the fact that not everything in Wikipedia absolutely needs a source. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

That should be all. Good luck! Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 13:59, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

@Sainsf: replied to all. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 05:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Ɱ: Thanks for your replies. I have responded. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 06:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Sainsf: That should cover my replies. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 20:29, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Ɱ: Thanks! I have detected no copyvio, the sources look reliable, and the prose and the images look fine. In my opinion the article meets all the GA criteria. I am happy to promote this. Cheers! Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 04:20, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

@Sainsf: Alright, thanks for your help! ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 04:52, 26 March 2016 (UTC)