Talk:The Devil and Daniel Webster (opera)
Latest comment: 3 years ago by Theleekycauldron in topic Did you know nomination
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Did you know nomination
edit- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 17:28, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
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- ... that the opera The Devil and Daniel Webster features a jury of ghosts made up of famous historical American figures who are now residents of Hell; including the pirate Blackbeard? Source: Joseph McLellan (23 March 1998). "Mmm. A Tasty Revival: 'Bon Appetit' Mixes With Dramatic 'Devil'". The Washington Post. p. E7. and Elise Kuhl Kirk (2001). American Opera. University of Illinois Press. pp. 246, 274, 277. ISBN 9780252026232.)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Johannes Schröder
- Comment: This would be a good one to feature on Halloween if possible.
Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:06, 22 October 2021 (UTC).
| General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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| Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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| Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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| QPQ: Done. |
Overall: 
Article is new enough, long enough, properly sourced, neutral, and scores low on the earwig copyvio test. The hook is interesting and cited, and submitter has satisfied qpq. Overall, I would say this hook is good to go. JJonahJackalope (talk) 21:00, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, JJonahJackalope. I was wondering if you were good with the special occasion? Thanks. Pamzeis (talk) 12:44, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Pamzeis, I believe theleekycauldron is planning on putting together a Halloween set of hooks. Not sure what that process will look like.4meter4 (talk) 14:18, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- @4meter4: I'm not, like, formally empowered to do that, so it would be easier if this were approved with a special date request for Halloween. Thanks, theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 17:06, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not really sure what you mean by that but as of now, this nomination is not transcluded at SOHA and I don't think it can be unless someone approves the SO and no one has. So I was wondering if JJonahJackalope, as the reviewer, did. Pamzeis (talk) 10:09, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Pamzeis, sorry for the delay in responding to you, but I have no issue with the hold for Halloween and believe I have made the appropriate edits on the Approved DYK page for this. Apologies for any mistakes I've made, this is the first time I've reviewed a DYK nomination with a special occasion request. Thanks, -JJonahJackalope (talk) 03:03, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- I think you did correctly (Feetloaf, another Halloween hook was my first review of a SO hook as well) except you created a duplicate header as there was already a header for Halloween. I've removed that. Apologies for somewhat rushing you as I only did so because the prep set for Halloween will become available tomorrow. Pamzeis (talk) 03:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- @JJonahJackalope and 4meter4: I hate to shoot down this hook, as it's quite good, but per WP:DYKSG,
If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way.
I'm not seeing that that requirement is met for this hook. Could this be fixed before I promote? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:09, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron I thought that the discussion on "famous historical American figures" and Blackbeard satisfied this requirement, as it shows how the fictional work incorporated elements from the real world. The guideline seems fairly vague, simply stating that it must "involve the real world in some way", but if I misunderstood this supplemental guideline or there is a specific change you had in mind in the way the hook is phrased, please reach out. Thanks, -JJonahJackalope (talk) 11:29, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron I agree with JJonahJackalope's assessment. The whole point of that supplemental guideline is to prevent promoting in-universe hooks that are not intelligible to someone who isn't familiar with that work of fiction such as "...the planet Hoth is full of wampas?" The hook I wrote is not in-universe in its language and is easily understood with a clear grounding in some real world context. 4meter4 (talk) 15:26, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- @JJonahJackalope and 4meter4: I hate to shoot down this hook, as it's quite good, but per WP:DYKSG,
- I think you did correctly (Feetloaf, another Halloween hook was my first review of a SO hook as well) except you created a duplicate header as there was already a header for Halloween. I've removed that. Apologies for somewhat rushing you as I only did so because the prep set for Halloween will become available tomorrow. Pamzeis (talk) 03:33, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Pamzeis, I believe theleekycauldron is planning on putting together a Halloween set of hooks. Not sure what that process will look like.4meter4 (talk) 14:18, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
Promoter's comment to @JJonahJackalope and 4meter4: I'm not famiiar with the precedent on this one, so I'll take that as a reasonable interpretation of the rule. cheers!
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