Talk:The Edge/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Batman?

Bottom of the page: "He has also created the theme song for the new Batman cartoon." Could someone please clarify what batman cartoon this is in reference to? -- GeekGirlSarah

Watch out! The Edge will cut you!! --Wallaby 11:42, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

The Edge wrote and performed the season 1 theme for newest Batman series (The Batman (TV series)), which started it's run on September 11, 2004. --Wydok 17:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture.

Change the picture, it's awful!

No it's not it's brilliant

I think the picture's fine. It gives a good idea of what he looks like as an individual, a guitarist, and a band member (he's probably looking over at Bono). It also clearly shows the famous nose. VisitorTalk 02:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Seconds

He also sang "Seconds" from the War Album

In the Red Rock video, he sings the initial chorus only, the chorus after the bridge, and trades off with Bono on the bridge. I think that the article's current language ("For example, he sings the chorus on...") is fine, no need to do a song by song list of everything with his voice. VisitorTalk 18:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Batman Cartoon

It's the latest cartoon, entitled "The Batman," loosely based on Batman Begins, as Bruce Wayne is new into his career. It's not at the same caliber as "Batman: The Animated Series" was.

For this article, the important thing is Edge's musical contribution, not the quality of the cartoon. VisitorTalk 02:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

marital status

As quoted in the text - "During U2's groundbreaking Zoo TV Tour, The Edge met Morleigh Steinberg, a professional dancer and choreographer. The couple began dating in 1993, and had their daughter, Sian, in 1997, and a son, Levi, in 1999.[4] Steinberg and The Edge were married on 22 June 2002.[4]" Morleigh was the belly dancer and is a professional modern dancer and choreographer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.101.45 (talk) 10:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Isn't Edge married (or in a long term relationship with) the belly dancer from "Mysterious ways?" shouldn't that info be on here (if true)?

Discussed in the current version of the article. VisitorTalk 02:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I deleted a request for Wikipedia to email a trivia answer to an individual. VisitorTalk 02:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

"He has often been named as one of the most influential guitarists of the past decade" unsourced and pov, if this is not cited in 2 days i will remove

Picture (again)

I'm wondering if the picture should be current, instead of from what looks like 20-30 years ago. Shadow1 11:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the current picture current? VisitorTalk 02:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

That picture is totally current, totally!!! I'm sure he would be flattered to know that you think the picture is so old. Don't you see that the Edge only gets better looking with time, like good wine, which by the way, he loves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.176.101.45 (talk) 10:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Solo World

Edge recorded a song with Sinead O' Connor.

Anonymous contributor, do you have a reference to include in the article? VisitorTalk 03:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

.....Dave came very close to leaving U2 for religious reasons.....

But what were the reasons? Was he too devout for the band? Was the band too religious for his liking? 86.7.208.240 21:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly! Does anybody know anymore on this? 89.100.195.42 16:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This still hasn't been answered. It is a very interesting and highly notable statement that lacks any form of explanation. So what's the point? Someone must know the answer. 86.17.211.191 12:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the statement should be either sourced or dropped. VisitorTalk 02:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

In lots of U2 biographies there is a discussion of the Shalom christian Prayer group that everyone in U2 bar Adam was in.. The group was putting stress on the band for being rock stars and trying to lead a religious/prayerful life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.122.222.109 (talk) 22:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

For the record, I believe that this is discussed in U2 by U2. He took 2 weeks off from the band to consider whether or not to continue, as he had doubts as to whether or not rock and roll was compatible with Christianity. Evidently, he decided that the two were compatible, and they recorded October. This also led to tensions between the Bono, Larry and Edge group and Adam/McGuinness. If anyone could find a citation (as I don't have the book on hand), I'd be really grateful. Regards, Neranei (talk) 00:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yup, got it. Page 118 of U2 by U2 a quote from Bono "Edge left the band. But he didn't tell the band, he just told me. He was feeling at this point in time that he couldn't serve both God and man. I decided I couldn't either, so we both quit." I'm sure there's more, but I don't really feel like looking right now...</post> Geek45 (talk) 22:35, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Editing dispute

Let me boil this down to two points for further discussion if I may:

• Substantiation of claims.

The claim of nationality is clearly in dispute. The claim for "British” is based on evidence – strongly supporting facts which are often used to prove nationality of individuals. These are lineage, place of birth, citizenship, and official documentation (passport) (what other way do you prove nationality other than place of brith, lineage and citizenship?). These are not in dispute. There is also no evidence yet presented here – including any direct quotes from the subjects – that contradicts the claim of "British": nothing solid or verifiable contradicts the evidence. Again, these are the undisputed facts as we know them at this point. The claim for “Irish” is based on subjective and speculatory opinion about the feelings of the subjects and what they might claim if asked (are you joking?). It is not supported by any other evidence or accepted facts. Neither subject has given up their UK passport and citizenship nor adopted Irish passports and citizenship - telling in itself. It is speculation from several editors which assumes to understand what the subject believes or feels, and they have used this to dictate the contents of the article in a way which prevents the addition of a specific statement of nationality that they do not like. Now, if we apply Wiki rules, which view is the one which should stand until proven otherwise? The one based on personal opinion about a strangers' feelings with no supporting evidence? And which one should be disregarded until it can be substantiated? The one backed up by same type of evidence usually used to prove the particular point in dispute i.e. nationality? Let us be honest: who are the ones making unsubstantiated claims here?: it is those who say they know what strangers believe or feel! Certain editors insist that others follow strict rules, frequently adding links to other rule pages, yet seem to disregard the rules - including regarding evidence and citations - when it suits them. And in my view it is not reasonable to say that neither "British" nor "Irish" should be used as this suggests that each point of view has equal weight (clearly demonstrated above to not be the case: one is evidence-based, one is opinion-based: evidence-based statements should stand until discounted);

• Facts and their presentation.

It is claimed that the above does not matter because the present form of words, though under dispute, is factually correct. It is true that the present form of words is factually correct, but that is simply not the point. As we all know, it is how the facts are presented which is significant, and he who has control over the presentation of facts has the power to control information. It is also factually correct to say that "The Edge is not French" - it's true, but why say it when there is no evidence to suggest that he is French? Certain editors have chosen to present the facts in ways which support their personal views (see above). The present form of words which is under dispute was introduced after certain editors refused the right of other contributors to refer to the subjects as “British”. So the present form of words is simply a component of the editors’ personal opinion and an arbitrary solution to a problem they raised (and a solution which - conveniently - serves their personal view that nationality cannot be proven). But if those personal views are uncited, unsubstantiated and based on subjective opinion and flawed logic only, then the entire justification for introducing the present form of words in the first place is false and misleading! QED! Editors are choosing to present facts in a way which serves their point of view and not to reflect those facts as we presently know them to be. We have lots of evidence of "British" and no solid reason to doubt it other than the opinion of uninformed commentators, yet the term "British" is totally banned. This is why the claim of bias is made, and the evidence while not convincing, it is very strong. Again, both views do not have equal weight here. Wiki uses known facts as much as possible to form statements and asks that unsubstantiated claims be proved or cited. Practise what you preach.

So, it seems to me that 1) the two band member pages under dispute should reflect that the band members are British based on our current knowledge of their lineage, heritage, birthplace, citizenship and documentation until it can be proved otherwise with quotes or other evidence - with citations; and 2) editors should not present the facts in a way which reflects their unsubstantiated and disputed personal opinion even if it is factually correct - the facts should be presented without bias or spin or in any way that prevents another statement which itself is based on undisputed facts and cannot be discounted in any shape or form. 195.92.40.49 15:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The Edge himself said in this interview in 1985 "I've never lived anywhere but Dublin," he says. "Although I have Welsh blood -- both of my parents are Welsh -- in every other way I'm Irish." Neranei (talk) 20:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to see how much effort those wankers pushing Edge's "Britishness" would expend on extolling George Harrison's, John Lennon's and Paul McCartney's "Irishness" on THEIR individual profiles......

Show us the evidence that each of those three people were born in Ireland to parents both born in Ireland and you might have a point. Otherwise, stop being a moronic O'Troll. 86.7.211.128 (talk) 00:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

OR

Tom Morello? Where on earth does this comparison come from? 210.10.167.40 01:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

English Methodist?

I find it odd that Edge could be considered an English Methodist. I've always known, from when I care to remember, that Edge was Welsh, for a start. I also remember reading a little booklet the band produced as part of a tour, around 1990 I think, which stated specifically that he was Welsh Presbyterian. I'm sure the booklet is long lost now, but perhaps someone knows of it, or other information that confirms this.

If there are no objections, I will change the category from "English Methodists" to "Welsh Presbyterians" (assuming such a cat exists). --Mal 14:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

He is no more English than the Elgin Marbles are! LOL 86.42.160.47 17:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, The Edge is no more Irish than St Patrick was! LOL! (And half of the US population is called "Irish" without having ever been to Ireland let alone born there. Most couldn't spot the place on a map. But I digress.) If someone born and raised in America with no proven Irish heritage can be called "Irish Catholic" (even though there is actually no such church in existence) then The Edge can conceivably be called "English Methodist". Indeed, he was born in England; but regardless of that even, the term "English" in this context refers to the denomination and not the nationality of its congregation! It's very simple! If you don't believe me then look at this link to an "English Methodist church" in.......Wales! Ta da!!.......

• http://www.archivesnetworkwales.info/cgi-bin/anw/fulldesc_nofr?inst_id=33&coll_id=76255&expand=

So clearly "English Methodist" is entirely possible for someone who is not considered ethnically English - including a man born in England to Welsh parents who all then moved to Ireland. A man born in Outer Mongolia may be an English Methodist, you see?

Now, do you see what simple research and thinking can do, people? Please at least try to learn about a subject before editing on it. -- 86.17.211.191 17:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

• Stunned silence...people pretend they are not interested...complaint dies a death. Bravo! Good research. -- Delsource (talk)

In the Welsh context 'English Methodist' means a member of the English language Methodist church - actually the Calvinist Methodist Church's English section. I am surprised about this as I thought that he had been baptised as an Independent (one of the previous principals of Coleg Coffa in Aberystwyth actually baptised him as a baby.). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.104.166.228 (talk) 00:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Intro

Should the intro for The Edge conform with the standard Wikipedia format of leading off with the individuals’ true legal name first, followed by stage names, nicknames, pseudonyms or alter egos second? See for example, Sting, Pelé or Voltaire.

In keeping with other Wikipedia articles, I think the intro would read better as: “David Howell Evans, better known as The Edge...” Or something similar. Mingus19 00:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Musical Equipment

OK, since the section has been tagged, I'm gonna have to say where I got the info from. They mostly came from me watching hours and hours of U2 on Youtube, and, from U2 Sound Forum which has a lot of reliable information on Edge's guitars. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pacmule (talk • contribs) 23:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

Rolling Stone

Isn't The Edge ranked #24 by the Rolling Stone?

Currently linked from the article. VisitorTalk 02:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Significant removal of "indiscriminate" details

User Y2kcrazyjoker4 has just now removed a significant amount of what is probably verifiable text. The rationale for deletion strikes me as being inappropriate; the information could be better presented, but the removed information is not indiscriminate. John Vandenberg 04:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I am inclined to agree with the removal - unless someone can convince me otherwise. It is indeed correct that wikipedia is not simply a list of information, rather it is a list of notable information. There is the other problem of verifying this information from reliable published sources. I suspect that simply cos someone saw edge playing guitar X in song Y on concert DVD Z is not verifiability that this is what edge uses. It has been marked as not being verified for sometime and according to wikipedia fundamentals, such info can be removed at any time. But, even if it can be verified, how is this not just a list of non-notable information? See WP:NOT. kind regards --Merbabu 07:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. You can't just put anything in Wikipedia articles. It has to be notable. Somehow, I think listing every song in U2's catalogue and the guitar that was played on that song is a ridiculously unnecessary list. That clearly violates Wikipedia's policy against indiscriminate lists of information. I didn't see any sources or citations for that information anyways so as far as I'm concerned, it can't be verified. I'm sorry, but spending a lot of time on original research for that particular section of article does not give you a stake in keeping it. Y2kcrazyjoker4 19:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Opening para

• "Despite being born in England, he considers himself as a person from the Northside of Dublin."

So much wrong with this. Firstly, there is no "despite" about it: you can be both, so what is the point of the statement? Desperation here not only to prove The Edge is not British but also that he does not consider himself so? And it is hardly encyclopaedic, is it? Anyway, this type of information is not permitted in opening paragraphs: check the guidance. May I suggest to the user who keeps reinstating this without any comment, justification or obvious reason that he starts doing the following:

1. Learn the rules. You spend an awful lot of time pointing them out to others (check their history) though often demonstrating you do not understand them or their application and context yourself.

2. Stop abusing the use of "rvv". Again, your history shows you accuse people of vandalism with some regularity - usually when you simply disagree with a change and revert it without any other comment other than the false tag. It's high time users got punished for this.

3. COMMUNICATE. Use article discussion pages and user talk pages, or just give valid reasons which can be discussed when you revert. And respond to those who try to communicate with you on changes.

Otherwise, leave this resource alone, because you fit the tag "troll".

195.92.40.49 15:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

PS My IP switches between that shown above and 62.25.106.209. Both are linked to a large organisation with multiple Wiki contributers. The user repeatedly reverting, "rvv'ing" and refusing to engage in discussions about changes operates from 156.34.216.15 and 205.174.170.95 (histories match specific subjects). 195.92.40.49 15:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

• User in question continues to repeatedly revert claiming vandalism. Also continues to refuse to discuss article here and has deleted my post on his/her talk page to make points and ask questions about the disagreement. Has made only one comment in response to another post: claims that any deletion of any text that has a reference is vandalism, regardless of reason. This is a joke, in every way. -- 62.25.106.209 11:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Here's my opinion. He was born in Wales, and moved to Dublin at a young age. Therefore, he is British, but though he is British, he considers himself Irish. That would seem to support the wording "despite he is British, he considers himself Irish". Regards, Neranei (talk) 23:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, The Edge himself said in this interview in 1985 "I've never lived anywhere but Dublin," he says. "Although I have Welsh blood -- both of my parents are Welsh -- in every other way I'm Irish." Regards, Neranei (talk) 23:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Reorganizing

The comments about his appearance, hair loss and clothing preferences should get moved to a section in the body of the article. Those items are not appropriately part of his summary biography. In addition, the material regarding his membership in U2 should be moved from the biography to a new section, titled "Membership in U2." The history of how he followed Bono's tip about the delay unit should be moved to the "Music" section. The comment about his charity work should be moved from the biography to a new section. VisitorTalk 02:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Lead "sound processing"

The lead refers to his "innovative digital sound processing - delay in particular." However, the equipment list includes quite a bit of analog equipment. I propose changing the word "digital" to "multifaceted." VisitorTalk 02:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Music: influences

Not sure why Switchfoot is separately highlighted as a Christian rock band. In terms of Edge's musical influence, shouldn't they simply be included in the list of rock bands? As far as I know, Switchfoot aren't Christian because of Edge's influence, but do have chiming, thick, and layered multi-processed guitars because of Edge's influence.

Also, I believe the musical influences discussion should be moved to its own section. VisitorTalk 02:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Need to consistently use his nickname

Sometimes the article refers to "the Edge," "The Edge," or just "Edge." I believe "Edge" without "the" flows best except for the first sentence of the article. VisitorTalk 02:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, as I have pointed out on Talk:Adam Clayton, it is very important to be consistent, but "Edge" is, in my opinion, a fan thing, whereas The Edge is his full nickname, and if we are going to use his nickname, we should use it in full. What do you think? Cheers, Neranei (talk) 20:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Why not disembag?

Why is a backup band member for Bono having the page "The Edge"? Shouldn't it go straight to disembagution? JayKeaton 13:18, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

He is a musician of his own right, and is highly notable for both his work in U2 and his solo work. Neranei (talk) 21:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

==Not changed anything, perhaps someone else will, because..... someone is adding rubbish text into the article, check the words 'Louisiana', 'Tigers' and 'Miles' and you'll see what I mean...

Why not Disambig?

Why does 'Edge' go straight to a disambiguation page but 'The Edge' go straight to Dave Evan's page rather than disambiguation? Are we discriminating in favor of the U2 guitarist (as great a musician as he surely is) over all other 'The Edge' listings? If so, why? What is our justification? Cheridavis (talk) 23:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Origin of nickname "The Edge"...

Actually, I know (thought it was common knowledge...) where both Edgy and Bono got their nicknames from (they told me when they were an up-and-coming band in Dublin – in 1979, I think it was). I've tried to add an entry in the main article explaining it, but every time I check back, it’s been edited out again.

I don't know a lot about how Wikipedia works – I thought anyone could edit it. Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.63.55 (talk) 07:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC) "I thought anyone could edit it" here lies your problem. anyone can edit it, so someone edited out your bit. yup.</post> Geek45 (talk) 22:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

We need the origin explaining... --Jubilee♫clipman 16:44, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why anyone would remove the origin of his nickname. I've long wondered where it came from, and it is relevant and presumably verifiable. Could someone please put it back? Thanks. -- Jalabi99 (talk) 06:34, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

The page for Bono clearly explains how Paul Hewson be came know as Bono, so I think we really need to know how The Edge moniker came about. Maybe, just speculation, but maybe He himself has never explained it, doesn't want to explain it, likes the "mystery" & has U2 staff members removing it anytime it appears. But if someone truly knows post it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.211.71.137 (talk) 06:52, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Where was he born?

Was he definitely born in London. I thought I read somewhere it was Essex. Was he actually born in London or Greater London? 86.129.233.51 (talk) 12:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Philanthropy?

Should we create a section related to the Edge's philanthropy? The creation of Music Rising and his sitting on the board of directors of the Angiogenesis Foundation [1] seem notable enough to me that they'd deserve their own section. MelicansMatkin (talk) 19:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Nationality (redux)

Once again the hoary old chestnut of The Edge's nationality has re-appeared. One editor insists on adding British in the opening paragraph. The man himself said in 1985 "I've never lived anywhere but Dublin," he says. "Although I have Welsh blood -- both of my parents are Welsh -- in every other way I'm Irish." (my bolding) The fact that The Edge was born in the UK in mentioned in the infobox and again in the Biography section as well as mentioning his welsh parentage. I'd suggest that his nationality (whatever it is) be removed from the sentence to avoid point edit wars. Snappy (talk) 04:28, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

It's a good point, but I believe that removing his nationality would be in violation of WP:BIO (I'm not familiar with that Project, but another editor mentioned so in an edit summary, so...) and I'm not sure that WP:IAR would apply in this case. I'd say just put whatever nationality he associates himself as, which in this case is clearly Irish. Though I'm aware that it's a variation of WP:OTHERCRAP, I would like to point out a similar example in Peter Mansbridge; like The Edge he was born in Britain, though he associates himself as a Canadian. Indeed, he is listed in his article as a "British-born Canadian broadcaster". It's a compromise that I like. Why not simply edit the article to read "a British-born Irish musician"? It's an edit that I've made once or twice over the last few days to try and compromise between the two sides edit-warring. MelicansMatkin (talk) 05:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

That is a compromise that is quite acceptable. Snappy (talk) 03:56, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. MelicansMatkin (talk) 04:08, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm happy enough with this for now too. An alternative would have been to mention no nationality/birthplace in the lead (ie, "...is the lead guitarist of Irish band U2...") and then in the article proper gone into detail about his birthdate, growing up, residence, passport etc, without actually saying Edge is British or Irish. Ie, say he was born in London to Welsh parents, moved to Dublin when he was 5 where he continues to live, but has always held a British rather than Irish passport. Then, if I could ever find that quote where he specifically says he considers himself "irish" then we could include that too. --Merbabu (talk) 04:16, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree, no mention of nationality would be better but this compromise will do for now. Btw, he has lived in Dublin since he was one year old not five, that is for 46 continuous years. I have yet to see a reliable source for the British passport claim but assuming that it is true, its not entirely relevant. Daniel Day-Lewis has an Irish passport since 1993 and has lived in Ireland for many years but nobody claims he is Irish. As for the reference where he considers himself Irish, I have already included it above but here it is again - Irish. Snappy (talk) 04:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

A 1985 reference? WEll, that's now two I know of - the one I was thinking of was only made in the last few years. --Merbabu (talk) 04:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd just love to see how much effort those wankers pushing Edge's "Britishness" would expend on extolling George Harrison's, John Lennon's and Paul McCartney's "Irishness" on THEIR individual profiles (amongst many many others)......

That's the second time you've posted this ridiculous statement. I refer you to my reply to the first time, above. Now go back to editing O'Wikipedia. 86.7.211.128 (talk) 00:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Gibson guitar advertisement

Parts of this article sound like an advertisement for a Gibson Explorer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.127.107 (talk) 06:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I removed one paragraph with an extended quote that really didn't have anything to do with the Edge or add anything to a bio about him. The extensive listing of his equipment really doesn't seem appropriate or useful unless there's some significance to detailing them in this article. Gibson references are scattered thoroughly throughout the article and probably be reduced to only those that are significantly identified with the Edge. Flowanda | Talk 19:33, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

O'Sullivan his ex-wife

How is her first name spelt? Is she Aisling O'Sullivan or Aislinn O'Sullivan? One pointed to the other and the discussion on the actress' page states that the two people are different. That is why I split the two articles and added "not to be confused..." at the top. However, Googling etc comes up with very confusing results. Did The Edge marry and later divorce the Irish actress of The Butcher Boy or not? User:Mauriceg seems to have merged the articles in 2007, despite believing the two people to be different, thus adding to the confusion. --Jubilee♫clipman 16:40, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Hats?

Should mention be made of his prominent knit-cap wearing? I'm not a devout U2 follower, but I don't think I've seen him without the cap in a public appearance in a number of years. It might be a worth a brief mention... TheHYPO (talk) 20:26, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

What nationality are the Edges hats??? I think a few of them were made abroad but have spent most of their time in Ireland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.197.181 (talk) 14:37, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

vandalism

The Edge was not shot and killed by Chris Cornell on December 2nd so I will be removing that.

Vocals

'"Trash, Trampoline & The Party Girl" during the Rotterdam Zoo TV show when it was Bono's Birthday' I have reinstated this line as it is true. anyone who would like to hear it should download the 10th of may 1993 bootleg from Rotterdam

Nationality

As with Clayton, it is an incontrovertable fact that "The Edge" is British. Please do not delete or replace with "Irish", especially if you leave the reference to the band as "Irish"! 86.7.208.240 00:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

• Be prepared for a long and bitter fight dude. The Irish brigade run Wiki's biographical entries, and even if you win the argument that The Edge is British they'll just find a way of not mentioning it, or including it as an aside in a later sentence (even though they insist U2 as a band must always be referred to prominently as "Irish"). It's a continuing and never-ending joke. 62.25.106.209 12:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Treat yourself... [2] --Merbabu 13:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't you understand, this isn't about the band, it's about the individual. The issue of the band was raised simply to demonstrate inconsistency perpetuated by, amongst others, account holders (e.g. don't call Edge a British musician in his own biographical entry but ALWAYS call U2 an Irish band wherever it is mentioned despite the fact that apart from the band entry it is utterly irrelevant to the main subject). It is really very simple. Again, politics masquerading as editorial policy. 86.17.246.29 22:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I do understand and agree it is about an individual. Please refer to Guinong's comment below - that is my understanding. If it just states the facts Guinong mentions, rather than makes the general claims to be either Irish or British, then the article is factual.

As for your repeated accusation of politics being the real motivator - wtf? Insisting on either the term "British" or "Irish" is what smacks of politics or POV - just let the stated fact speak for themselves. Personally, i know nothing nor am I even remotely concerned about issue of politics (is it some English-Irish thing?). I suggest again you familiarise yourself with the concept of the assumption of good faith. it is more fundamental than the need for a NPOV. Also, why don't you create an account. People eventually tire of corresponding with anon IPs, particularly if they are uncivil. --Merbabu 23:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I give up. When people insist that the term 'British' should be removed from a statement such as "The Edge is the British lead guitarist of the Irish rock band U2" but the term 'Irish' must remain there is no hope for common sense. 86.17.246.29 15:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Why do you demand consitency in comparing a person and a band? Do you judge an apple and orange by the same criteria? Common sense is overrated and justifies stupidity. Common sense for common people. Try using reason instead. --Merbabu 23:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Please try to assume good faith. In an article about a musician, it is fine to state that he was born in the UK, has lived most of his life in Ireland, and retains UK citizenship, as we presently do.--Guinnog 12:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I put this on someone's anon user page, it should have gone here maybe...

Firstly, it’s been implied a few times now that this some sort of political game. Being neither Irish or British, personally, I really couldn’t care less, I just want to see hard non-debatable facts, rather than commentary on which country can claim him - and I suggest that this is the case for most editors. Is the pushing of the term “British” over “Irish” anymore political? Dropping both terms and sticking to the facts is what I suggest. Also, I suggest people immediately stop insisting they know more about other editors’ own motivations and start assuming good faith.

As for the actual topic at hand, to get the most accurate statements, the questions of nationality of a person, and the “nationality” of a band must be separated, even if that person is a member of the band. Your claim that is inconsistency is irrelevant, actually even to be expected. ie, one doesn’t judge oranges and apples in the same way. Sure, bricks make up a house and have an influence on the nature of the house, but one judges brick’s and a house separately and by different criteria. Thus:

• The Band as a singular entity: formed in Ireland, remains based in Ireland, as does is its management, is described by the members of the band themselves as a Irish band.
• Edge. I think people are disagreeing on notions of nationality and identity. There is the official but often meaningless notion of what one’s passport says (unless you are at the immigration counter in the airport). Then there is the more significant notion of one’s identity. For most people, what is in their passport and their identity is the same thing. He spent 1 year (which I doubt he remembers) living in the UK, not of his own choosing. Has since lived 44 out of his 45 years in Ireland – which experience do you think has shaped him more? He’s spent 25 years (or more) at an age when he can choose where he wants to live – it’s Ireland. His family live there including children, he conducts his live largely from Ireland. Apart from U2-related activity, how much time does he spend in the UK? If, hypothetically, he walked into whatever govt department he needs to, and changes his citizenship and passport to Irish, has anything actually changed for him, apart from the colour of his passport? He is still the same person. What is written on a piece of paper, is not as significant to these characteristics of his identity.

Despite all that, I am not proposing that the article states he is Irish (even though it would be a better choice than he is British if one had to be chosen). I simply think that the article should list the facts (birth place, chosen place of residence, etc) as the article currently does, rather than try and "claim" him as one or the other.--Merbabu 01:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• What a complete and utter load of bo**ocks. The claim for him as 'British' is based on facts (lineage, birth, passport). Your preference for 'Irish' is based on your uninformed assumption of his personal opinion. Residency, however long, is irrelevant to personal preference. Unless you know The Edge personally, you are speculating. Let's apply your argument over at the Irish and Irish-American lists, shall we? ;-) 195.92.40.49 12:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

To hell with it, I don't care for your aggresion and inability to discuss reasonably. Find something else unimportant to spend your time on. --Merbabu 13:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

• If it's so "unimportant" why are you spending so much time and effort resisting any attempt to change the form of words even though that change does not alter the factual accuracy of the point at hand? You are arguing over how information is presented. You are not able to dispute the facts. You base your reasoning on personal opinion not encumbered by any actual evidence. You and others say "He's Irish. He may never had said he's Irish, he has kept his British citizenship and passport, he has not claimed Irish citizenship or passport, his family are from Britain, his ancestors are from Britain, but I - who has never met him let alone know him well - tell you that he believes he feels he is Irish because he has lived there a long time and therefore we must never ever refer to him as British in his biography". What powerful logic and reasoning you use. 62.25.106.209 17:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• You just don't get it do you (or wikipedia for that matter). I am not disputing anything in the article and I am not saying it should say he is Irish - just the facts. He has never said he is British. Do you have anything new? --Merbabu 21:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

(deindent) Hear, hear. If this was a politician or even a footballer, it might be worth arguing about. As it is a popular musician, it really doesn't matter which EU country he is "from". Clearly he is in a way from both, as I think the article makes clear. What is so hard to understand about that, and why is it worth getting upset about? --Guinnog 13:19, 2 November 2006 (UTC). Why do some people care so much about the Edge`s nationality? Well,he is above and laughing about tis Oirish crap. How dare the Fenians start using computers they will be claiming next that the British didn't invent a place called Ireland. Why can't these so called IRISH (whatever that means) be neutral in their views like the rest of the world?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.197.181 (talk) 14:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

The one thing I didn't see in this discussion that I think would carry the most weight is what nationality The Edge considers himself to be. When I read the part about both his parents being Welsh, I would have thought he might consider himself Welsh. What does he say he is? Ileanadu (talk) 15:56, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Gay rock band?

The Edge (or simply just Edge), is a musician known best as the guitarist, keyboardist, and main backing vocalist for the Gay rock band U2

Well, the most interesting thing is that the link leads to Ireland... Vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ph0en1x Mayhem (talk • contribs) 23:56, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Looks like it. I'll revert it if it hasn't been done already. Thanks for the catch. MelicansMatkin (talk) 01:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I read through those edits and, as far as I can tell, the editor was by no means trying to imply that any member of U2 is actually gay. In other words, there is no question of homophobia here. I think what he meant was that calling yourself "The Edge" and then insisting that everyone address you by that title might be "gay" in the adolescent slang sense of the word, as it is currenty used. Why don't we just change it to "sad" or "ridiculous"? That way we won't have to make a major edit. Mardiste (talk) 21:21, 10 July 2010 (UTC))

Because that's editorializing, a practice which does not belong in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedias provide facts, not opinions. Personally, I find "The Edge" a silly and pretentious moniker, but he's making a lot more money than I am, so who am I to judge. Ileanadu (talk) 15:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Stage Name

Kind of odd to see an entire article aboout Adve Evans wih no discussion at all of his distinctive stage naem. Where did it come from? How did he come to be called the Edge? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.117.99.211 (talk) 05:36, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Huh, that is odd. I'd thought for sure it was in here, but I admittedly haven't properly looked over this article in quite a while. If I get time in the next few days I will try to add it in. Melicans (talk, contributions) 06:19, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Please do ! I came here looking for that explanation, so I was a little disappointed ... And did he chose it or did others dub him ? The same goes for Bono too, actually. I didn't see why he was called that way on his page either. Thanks RiverGirl (talk) 13:59, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Just a nudge. I also came here looking for the answer to that. Was his father a talkative cockney topiarist? Davidelit (Talk) 16:31, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Over a year now and still no info...

Also, shouldn't he be referred to as "Evans" throughout the article, instead of "The Edge this..." and "The Edge that...". Or, at least if we have some explanation on how he got the nickname, he shouldn't be referred to as "Edge" for events before he got it... BigSteve (talk) 13:05, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

U2

The Edge's brother Dik was NEVER in U2. He was however in the band "Feedback" that Edge, Bono, Dik, Larry and Adam formed. The ONLY people who have EVER been in U2 are Bono, Edge, Adam and Larry. These four people did not want Dik or anyone else in the band U2. They just wanted it to be the four of them. Information provided by the book U2 by U2 . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.18.99.198 (talk) 05:20, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

The Edge should be capital "T" or lower-case "t" in running prose?

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After the the Beatles capitalisation discussion was closed in favour of lower case "the" in running prose, I am wondering whether this biography should follow suit. Should we always capitalise The Edge, or should we use lower-case the in running prose, for example: "As a member of U2 and as an individual, the Edge has campaigned for human rights..." Binksternet (talk) 16:45, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

• Lower case. Plenty of sources can be found for capitalised The Edge. It's clear that many available sources use the capital form in running prose. However, many quite reliable sources do not, perhaps an equal number. Bono often refers to his bandmate as "Edge", dropping the. For instance, Bono is quoted saying, "It was the sound of Edge's spaceship as he came to be with us." Spin magazine confirms he is "just 'Edge' to his friends, thanks". These two examples show the relative unimportance of the definite article—I don't think we should treat capitalised "The Edge" as a sacred formulation. I think we ought to settle on a particular house style, and the example given by the Beatles RFC gives guidance. Binksternet (talk) 16:45, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I cannot recall the album, but during a live recording of "Bullet the Blue Sky" Bono says, "I don't want to bug you. Play the blues Edge" so the definite article is not part of the subject's name. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:38, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• RfC comment. I came here from the RfC notice, and I have no prior or ongoing involvement with this page. I went back and read the Beatles discussion, and I find that I agree with Binksternet's well-reasoned argument for lower case. I that that analysis correctly reflects current consensus and practice on Wikipedia. --Tryptofish (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
• Weak support for lower-case, just for consistency. The case for "the Beatles" (rather than "The Beatles") is actually weak and wrongheaded; the vast majority of bands with this form of name capitalize "The" in it, and usage in mainstream sources is all over the map, so using lower case for such names here is a PoV-pushing exercise. However, if we're going to arbitrarily impose lower case for "the" at the beginning of band names, it should also be done for individual stage- and nick-names as well as band names, instead of there being a double standard.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  00:47, 1 August 2014 (UTC) Revision: Actually, strong support in this particular instance for lower case, because "the" is clearly optional, even according to his own bandmates. I hadn't caught that bit, but it's well-sourced in comments above.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  00:51, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
• Support for lower-case "the" and for dropping it from the article's name completely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I really need that username (talk • contribs) 20:13, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
• Lower case for consistency. Undue emphasis on the definite article typically denotes uniqueness or extraordinary significance. The artist clearly does not intend that. -The Gnome (talk) 20:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
• Lower case. "I saw the Edge with the Beatles in the White House in the United States of America." All of these are names, not titles, so "the" isn't capitalised. By the way, after the Beatles decision, why doesn't Wikipedia capitalise all its band names this way? Or newspapers, or pubs, etc? Popcornduff (talk) 09:56, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
• Lower case, definitely. Having a "the" capitalized mid-sentence strikes me as awkward. I understand why some may oppose this, but this isn't terribly common in entertainers' names on a person-to-person basis and should be treated as "the Beatles" would be. LazyBastardGuy 00:57, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Sources for lower case "the Edge"

• Billboard magazine.[3][4]
• Professor Scott Calhoun, author and editor of Exploring U2: Is This Rock 'n' Roll?
• Music critic Simon Reynolds in his book Rip It Up and Start Again: Postpunk 1978-1984, and also in his The Sex Revolts: Gender, Rebellion, and Rock 'n' Roll.
• Spin magazine.[5][6][7][8]
• Music historian Bob Gulla in his book, Guitar Gods: The 25 Players who Made Rock History.
• Authors Josh Frank and Caryn Ganz in their book, Fool the World: The Oral History of a Band Called Pixies, published by respected imprint Macmillan.
• Pitchfork Media editor Mark Richardson, in his book, Flaming Lips' Zaireeka.
• Author and radio personality John Gorman (radio) in his book, The Buzzard: Inside the Glory Days of WMMS and Cleveland Rock Radio—a Memoir.
• Business consultants Jonas Ridderstråle and Mark Wilcox in their book, Re-energizing the Corporation: How Leaders Make Change Happen.
• Neil McCormick in his book Killing Bono: I Was Bono's Doppelganger: "The concept I came up with was so lame I was embarrassed to even show it to Bono and the Edge..."
• MTV executive Courtney E. Smith in her book, Record Collecting for Girls: Unleashing Your Inner Music Nerd, One Album at a Time.
• Author Jason Hartley in his book, The Advanced Genius Theory, pages 129–130: "Interestingly, Bono toned down his look a bit for PopMart, but the Edge often..."
• Journalist Seth Mnookin in his book, Hard News: The Scandals at The New York Times and the Future of American Media.
• Author Chuck Klosterman in his book, Chuck Klosterman on Pop: A Collection of Previously Published Essays.
• Author Jake Halpern in his book, Fame Junkies: The Hidden Truths Behind America's Favorite Addiction.
• Encyclopedia editor Gini Gorlinski in her book, The 100 Most Influential Musicians of All Time.
• Writer Sean Manning in his book, Rock and Roll Cage Match: Music's Greatest Rivalries, Decided.
• Record producer Jake Brown in his ECW Press book, Tori Amos: In the Studio.
• Novelist Roddy Doyle in his novel, The Deportees: and Other Stories.
• Rolling Stone writer Mikal Gilmore in his book, Night Beat: A Shadow History of Rock & Roll.
• Reverend Paige Blair, in the "U2charist" chapter of the Steven Croft, Ian Mobsby and Stephanie Spellers book, Ancient Faith, Future Mission: Fresh Expressions in the Sacramental Traditions.
• Novelist Joseph O'Connor, writing in the introduction to the Irish Studies publication, The Scallop of Saint James: An Old Pilgrim's Hoard, edited by Manuela Susana Domínguez Pena, Margarita Estévez Saá and Anne MacCarthy.

Sources for mixed use, both lower case and capital

• Rikky Rooksby's Riffs: How to Create and Play Great Guitar Riffs.

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