Talk:The F Word (South Park)/GA1

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Reviewer: CTJF83 chat 06:29, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

• Please add alt text to the image.
  • Added. — Hunter Kahn 01:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
• In the lead Nielsen Ratings it says "Dances with Smurfs" Is it just the wrong title, or the wrong ratings also?
  • It's a mistake. I sometimes copy-and-paste text from the other SP articles and replace the numbers and titles to keep consistency in the prose. I forgot to replace the title here, but I've fixed it... — Hunter Kahn 01:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
• Is there any DVD commentary available to expand the production section?
  • No DVD commentary yet. It's not atypical for GANs of the early episodes to be without the DVD commentary, but I will go back and add them when it comes out. — Hunter Kahn 01:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
    • Ok, it isn't enough to fail it, I guess I should know commentary isn't out already. CTJF83 chat 19:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
• This is a references to Webster's Dictionary and Lewis' most famous role, the title character in the sitcom, Webster.
  • I've added the IGN source. I think this is sufficient; the IGN article mentions Lewis and the dictionary and compliments the pun, but doesn't overtly explain it. Some readers think these references should go in unsourced, but I believe in sourcing. However, in a case like this, when there is a source that leaves it half-explained, I think applying a little WP:COMMON is not unacceptable. However, if you have a real problem with it, we can remove the part about the Webster role and just leave in Lewis. — Hunter Kahn 01:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
    • The IGN reference is ok. CTJF83 chat 19:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
• I'm not sure about using http://www.aintitcool.com/ as a reference
  • I've removed the citations for everything but the review. AICN (which is a site I despise, by the way, lol) is a pretty well-established site, and I believe has been considered acceptable in other stories. And, in this case, it's now only being used for the review, so I don't think it's harmful. But if you still feel it has to go, we can get rid of it... — Hunter Kahn 01:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
    • No, it's fine for a review. CTJF83 chat 19:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Everything else looks good. CTJF83 chat 18:40, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

There really should be an automated warning when images don't have WP:ALT text same as when citations aren't given title text. It is just such a basic essential.

Dances with Smurfs looks a lot like someone made an edit to the wrong South Park article.

Only a few months since the episode first aired, too early for DVD commentary. Other sources may be available.

aintitcool not only provided the ratings but commentary that suggests they were notable because South Park beat Jay Leno with this episode.

Odd that the section about "Webster" survived without a citation, yet other items that were properly cited (notably but controversially "God hates Fags") were removed. (See versions of article from early Decembers 2009.) The edit claimed source didn't support and deleted a long running point (which shoes a rough consensus) instead of requesting a better citation or ask other editors to be more specific. The citations did explain that the phrase is associated with and made infamous by the Phelps family, I'm not sure what else the editor was expecting them to explain beyond that. Rephrasing of the section prose makes readding that information all the more difficult. I'd oppose this being marked a good article if that cultural reference was whitewashed or ignored. South Park can be offensive at times, that is no excuse to ignore relevant references. -- Horkana (talk) 19:34, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Were you just basically giving an answer to my concerns, and not fixing them or what? Not every cultural reference needs to be listed. If Hunter felt it should be removed, that is probably a good decision. I'll let him fix my other concerns. CTJF83 chat 19:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Plus some wacko and his loony church don't constitute a cultural reference. CTJF83 chat 19:46, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

You too are welcome to make the fixes to the article if you want, I was helping you by providing information to allow you do that if you were interested.

I was interested in checking how much the article had changed since I last looked at it and thinking about restoring any cited material that had been deleted. Intermediate edits have made difficult so I'm might do it later.

Those wacko's are infamous wacko's, picketing soldiers funerals with such banners is pretty outrageous and offensive and got a lot of news coverage. It seems more notable than the pun on Webster and reference to an old tv show. The remove was explained by source not supporting the point, but editors had acted in good faith trying to find suitable sources. The better/good faith response would be to challenge those sources and request better ones by marking the point as citation needed but it was just deleted making it a lot more difficult to try to fix or improve it. -- Horkana (talk) 08:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

• You can see the Fred Phelps stuff because, even though I think it's probably true, it's sadly not really supported by the citations. The source mentions Phelps, but doesn't mention any reference to him in the episode, nor anything with regard to Father Maxi. If there was even a vague connection, I'd support it, but as it was, it was bordering on original research. — Hunter Kahn 01:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Passing the article CTJF83 chat 19:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)