Talk:The Fame Ball Tour/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: --WillC 01:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

• There is alot of rationals in File:Thefameballtour.jpg, you might want to clear those up. I've uploaded plenty of posters in my day so only a license and the one rational is needed but that isn't important. What is important is a clickable link to the source of the poster.--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
• In File:Fameballpaparazzi2.jpg "Gaga opening the show by performing "Paparazzi" in a short silver and black dress with geometric patterns and surrounded by metal plates." can not be seen in the photo. Change to "Gaga performing in concert".--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Removed and shortened. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
• The caption for File:Fameballeheh3.jpg is in alot of detail. All of that is better for alt text. Keep it simple and change to "Gaga riding a vespa performing on the The Fame Ball Tour".
  • Done. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
• File:Fameballbubble.jpg is fine for now.
• Some of the images say she is performing a certain song. That imo is OR, because images aren't sourced. Say what can be seen. Most of the images have periods as well, but that is incorrect because they aren't actual sentences. They are telling what is in the photo, so periods aren't needed.--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • These are supported by refernced concert synopsis, hence no problem. Putting a period at end is normal because they are indeed sentences.
    • I would disagree, but not a big enough problem to worry about.--WillC 00:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
• "She wore a masquerade mask on her face during the performance." We can't see her face in the picture and we don't know if she had it on the whole performance if there is one. Remove--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Removed. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
• All licenses are fine.--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

1. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   All major concerns have been addressed. Sorry for the long review, been busy. I'm passing the article.--WillC 00:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Lead

• • Infobox
    • Fine, but I always like sources. Not important though, good enough.--WillC 20:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Prose
    • "Her first concert tour, it promoted her debut studio album The Fame." → "It was Gaga's first concert tour which helped promote her debut studio album The Fame." - I don't like the seeming pause.--WillC 20:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
      • Done. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Background

• Good--WillC 20:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Concert synopsis

• "It is followed by a DJ session by Space Cowboy." → "It was followed by a performance from Space Cowboy." - Seems repetitive and weird. We know he is a DJ already from above. Where is the source for this as well?--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Removed unsourced. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Reception

• "Yahoo! gave a positive review of the concert saying" - Who exactly gave the comments? Yahoo isn't a living person. Neither is The Boston Globe, Ottawa Citizen, Chicago Tribune, Billboard, Rolling Stone, and The Hollywood Reporter. Who are the people who say these statements? That should be noted. Makes for a better reception, and doesn't seem like it is just pulled from thin air.
  • Added the names. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
• "It was more than could be said for her opening act" - I don't remember an opening act mentioned. It is later, but that is later. It should be mentioned in Concert synopsis.--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Removed as unnecessary. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
• "The tour received positive reviews for the live performance of Gaga and the whole concept and costumes, but the video footages and the backdrops were sometimes criticized." - Though the other info that follows may cover it, a source would be nice. If a source can not be given it would be better to leave this for last in the section and reword to "Overall, the tour received positive reviews for the live performance of Gaga and the whole concept and costumes, but the video footage and the backdrops were sometimes criticized."
  • Removed alltogether. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Opening acts

• See above--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

North American Setlist

• Table format is a suggestion.--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Too much of vandalism during the trial, left it for God's sake. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

European / Asian / Australian Setlist

• See above--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Additional notes

• "On March 13, 2009 Gaga was presented with a plaque from the Recording Industry Association of America by social blogger Perez Hilton commemorating three million sales of her debut single "Just Dance", during her performance at the Wiltern Theatre. This show was also attended by rapper Kanye West." → "On March 13, 2009, Gaga was presented with a plaque from the Recording Industry Association of America by social blogger Perez Hilton commemorating three million sales of her debut single "Just Dance", during her performance at the Wiltern Theatre." Comma added and West attendance doesn't seem important to a concert. This should be in the reception section or in Gaga's article. I do believe note sections are frowned upon, you should find other places to stick these notes.--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Merged the plaque part, other things removed per WP:UNDUE. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Tour dates

• Good--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Box office score data

• Good--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

References

• What makes Huliq.com, iLikeMusic.com, Sun Media Corporation, and TourTracker all reliable? I am not familiar with any of them.
  • Removed the former two. Sun Media Corporation may be gossip, but Toronto Sun is not gosip and has credibility. However you have to cite sun media as they are the publishers. TourTracker is reliable because they list all important tour events and their dates. That's what it has been used for in this article. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

External links

• Good, just wonder if there is anymore cats that need to be added. One seems small.--WillC 21:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Added Lady Gaga tours cat. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)