Talk:The Fire Raisers (play)

proposed move to The Firebugs

Fire Raisers is the least frequently used title of this play, Firebugs (with or without the article) and Arsonists both trump it. — Robert Greer (talk) 02:58, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 16 November 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not moved as consensus to keep the article at it's current name has been established. (non-admin closure) — Music1201 ^talk 00:17, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

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The Fire Raisers (play) → The Arsonists (play) – In addition to the comment on the talk page (about this being the least frequently used title), the UK term "fire-raiser" is unknown in the US (and not even mentioned in US dictionaries) and so rare in the UK that the play is no longer translated or referred to that way. Espoo (talk) 22:57, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

This is a technical request moved to full RM (permalink). — Andy W. (talk) 00:29, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose Google Books In ictu oculi (talk) 07:51, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

  This is an WP:ENGVAR issue, so evidence of the existence of the current article title is no evidence that it is in use in the US, where the term is in fact nonexistent and not used as the title. --Espoo (talk) 15:21, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose. There is no evidence presented either in this request, or in the section above, that the current name is not the most common. Furthermore, if it is indeed an WP:ENGVAR issue, as Espoo claims, then by WP:RETAIN we should not move it, we should stick with the version of English of the first version of the page.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:39, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

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Title and history

The German Wikipedia (as usual, with little documentation, though), gives a bit more and different background: "Eine erste Prosaskizze entstand 1948 unter dem Eindruck der Machtübernahme des Kommunismus in der Tschechoslowakei. Sie trug den Titel Burleske und wurde im Tagebuch 1946–1949 veröffentlicht. Später verarbeitete Frisch den Stoff als Hörspiel Herr Biedermann und die Brandstifter, das 1953 vom Bayerischen Rundfunk ausgestrahlt wurde . . . ." (A prose sketch entitled "Burkeske" [burlesque] was written in in 1948 as a response to the communist take-over of Czechoslovakia and appeared in the author's Tagebuch 1946–1949. Frisch later re-worked the material as/into a radio play called Herr BBayerischen Rundfunkiedermann und die Brandstifter [Note the "Herr" (Mr.) in the title} that was broadcast over Bayerischer Rundfunk.) Kdammers (talk) 06:56, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Plot

I've split the Plot section into Plot and Analysis, because a lot of it wasn't plot at all. I trust everyone is OK with that. Swanny18 (talk) 23:39, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Also, the statement that the play "was not well received due to its content" at the Liverpool Playhouse will need some proving: I can't see a Liverpool audience, of all people, being unreceptive to a critique of Naziism. Swanny18 (talk) 23:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Comment on edit

I added the words "Swiss novelist and playwright" to the name of the author.

Since the article makes a point of the author seeing the gullibility of Biedermann as a parable for the Nazi takeover of power in Germany, I wanted to make clear that this was the view of an outside observer, albeit in a German-language play. People not looking up the link to Max Frisch might miss that. That said, the play was very successful in Germany and in places became part of the secondary-school curriculum. MsohniCam (talk) 19:41, 24 October 2022 (UTC)