Talk:Five Ks

Appropriately neutral?

The statement that "One who is neither following rules nor keeping all five Ks can not be called a Sikh." seems likely to be supported by extremely observant Sikhs and equally profoundly disputed by less observant Sikhs. Particularly problematic on a page with no references.

A more appropriate statement might be eg "Some sources consider that...", with relevant references.

Even better: "Some sources consider that..., while others dispute this.", with relevant references for both views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GS(v) (talk • contribs) 13:25, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

A month later, the problematic sentence has not been substantiated or made more neutral. I'm removing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GS(v) (talk • contribs) 14:16, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Kacchera or Kachera?

I have noticed that at the beginning of the article, the undergarments worn by Sikhs is referred to as 'Kacchera', however later into the article, it is spelt as 'Kachera'.

I assume that this is a spelling mistake, but either way, the spelling should be consistent throughout the article. I felt like this should be pointed out. 86.155.14.152 (talk) 15:47, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Or kachhera. Let's pick one and stick to it. —Tamfang (talk) 06:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I tried to change it to Kachhera, in fact I made a few other helpful changes, but a Wikipedia bot thought I was vandalising and took down an hour of my hard work. Vedānta Linguist (talk) 21:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vedānta Linguist: I have now restored the edits that the bot mistakenly reverted. --Un assiolo (talk) 18:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Vedānta Linguist (talk) 17:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Keski?

It seems like the subject of the Keski needs to be addressed. 100.44.4.72 (talk) 04:18, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

"kachera (a white undergarment)"

The introduction says, "kachera (a white undergarment)", yet the section Kachera does not mention colour, and the picture clearly shows a pair of grey underwear. The main article Kachera does mention white, but again with the same grey image. ◃Amniarix▹ (talk) 12:15, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

IPA for "Pañj Kakār"

Vedānta Linguist added /'pənd͡ʒ.'kə,ka:ɾ/ as a transcription for "Pañj Kakār". I have some questions:

1. What language is this in? If it's English it should use Template:IPAc-en. If it's something else, it should use Template:IPA with the appropriate language parameter (pa for Punjabi, I believe).
2. If it's in English, some things are odd.
   1. /ə/ can't be in a stressed syllable, unless followed by /r/.
   2. /a:/ and /ɾ/ are not used in Wikipedia's IPA standard for English.
3. Are /'/ and /,/ (apostrophe and comma) supposed to be /ˈ/ and /ˌ/ (stress marks)?

Un assiolo (talk) 18:55, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, it's Vedānta Linguist,

1.This is not English, it is a phonetic transcription of Punjabi. And I don't think I need pa for Punjabi, as that is for transliteration, not transcription. I might be wrong (I'm new to editing Wikipedia), but quite certain that pa for Punjabi is required for the transliteration, not the IPA.

2. You are right, schwa can't exist in stressed syllable is Punjabi either ,that is phonetically - but it does occur as a phoneme. Hence schwa in stressed syllables is pronounced as a short 'a', rather than schwa. Now that I look at it, /'pənd͡ʒ.'kə,ka:ɾ/ is actually wrong - the stress is on the 2nd syllable in "Kakār".

3.I didn't know how to type /ˈ/ and /ˌ/, so I used /'/ and /,/ 😅. Vedānta Linguist (talk) 06:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vedānta Linguist: I've added the pa parameter now. I suppose it's not really necessary, but it's how IPA transcriptions for foreign languages are typically handled on Wikipedia. It adds a helpful link to Help:IPA/Punjabi.

You can get the stress marks through the Special characters menu when editing on Wikipedia. They are near the bottom of the IPA section. --Un assiolo (talk) 20:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)